'Manny Pacquiao's got ring generalship - he hits you, and then he steps to the side'

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  1. Vidic

    Vidic Rest in Peace Manny Full Member

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    Harold Lederman, speaking on this lovely off balance lead left, one of his trademark punches.

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    My question to you is, is the quote from the title (and one of the reasons Harold scored the round to Manny, and the fight), one of the most awful, oversimplified, incorrect peices of commentary (and judging) that you have heard? Because it is for me.

    Ring generalship can always be a subjective term, but for me surely the consensus has to be controlling the pace, tempo and direction of the fight (which JMM was doing), not simply hitting someone, and stepping to the side.

    Why does Harold Lederman in particular feel the need to oversimplify scoring criteria in order to justify his awful cards?

    Ring Genralship is hitting people and stepping to the side
    Effective Aggression is walking forward
    Clean hard punching is I don't even know what

    Random thread I know but that one line always stood out and enraged me in the fight
     
    Vidic, May 23, 2012
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  2. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmM1pRVeFP0[/ame]
     
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  3. Zopilote

    Zopilote Dinamita Full Member

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    Lederman is an idiot.

    Thats all that needs to be said really.
     
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  4. W1LLPARK3R

    W1LLPARK3R Well-Known Member Full Member

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    dude, its a sport...not curing cancer...perhaps you'll get over JMM losses to P
    ac some day...
     
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  5. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lederman has seen better days. He has some moments. But I don't like his penchant for scoring ineffective activity. In recent years, he seems to miss a lot of clean work and leans heavily to the more active fighter.
     
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  6. DoninLouisiana

    DoninLouisiana Boxing Guru Full Member

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    Harold Letterman was one of the most respected judges in pro boxing from 1967-1986, almost 20 years of exp and 100 championship fights. He knows what he is talking about.

    All judges have head scratching score cards once in awhile, it is just the way it is.
    More times than not, the really good ones get it right.
     
    DoninLouisiana, May 23, 2012
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  7. LordJomski

    LordJomski Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :deal Watch it again and you'll see..
     
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  8. Mr. Sandman

    Mr. Sandman 27-2 (21 KO) Full Member

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    His intention was not to define ring generalship as hitting one's opponent and stepping to the side. He was just providing an example of Pacquiao's ring generalship, and he was correct.
     
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  9. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Ring Generalship is being able to control the pace and distance on your terms. Manny has been the superior ring general in most of his fights, but not that one. Getting the drop on Marquez here and there is not indicative of having been in control the whole time.
     
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  10. this_and_that

    this_and_that Boxing Addict Full Member

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    While I agree with 99% percent of this, you make it seem like what Pac did was a piece of cake, whereas it was a thing of beauty and something immensely difficult to time properly.
     
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  11. Matty lll

    Matty lll Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Excellent post as usual bogotazo :happy
     
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  12. chilli&lemon

    chilli&lemon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :deal
    When the **** are they going to retire these old pensioners and let the new gaurd take over, same with sky who need to retire Jim Watt and Adam Smith.
     
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  13. Vidic

    Vidic Rest in Peace Manny Full Member

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    Check my opening line homie :good
     
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  14. timeout

    timeout Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This thread just underlines what a complete bellend Vidic the *****tard is.

    And we're all now that little bit dummer for reading it.
     
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  15. Zombieguy

    Zombieguy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "Bam bam. Bam bam bam. Bam bam. Bam bam bam bam bam." - Harold Lederman
     
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