Manny Pacquiaos So Called Improvements: Careful Matchmaking?

I said the fights were garbage (Margarito and Clottey), not the fighters themselves. They should not have been made. Guys were what I consider "straw men." They look good on the outside and on paper, but realistically, they have no chance to win. Pacquiao would have to not train and fight a stupid, non-strategic fight for them to win basically.

Cotto is a good fighter, but people acting like "OMG greatest win ever!" need to have their head examined. Anybody who was really paying attention to their styles, strengths, and weaknesses, knew that Pacquiao was the more complete fighter of the two. Cotto has always been a very good fighter, but he's never been a great fighter and he never will be. His chin and stamina have always been suspect as well and his punch resistance sure as hell wasn't better after the Margarito beating.

 

So no improvements since Jmm then?? In those fights yeah I give props to Jmm for giving pac problems, That I can Agree with
but to say he hasnt improved since then is just blatantly dumb.

So the p4p #1 is a one dimensional boxer in your view?

We can pick apart all boxers, but to say pac is overated because a boxer or 2 gave him trouble a few years back is just...wait for it. Dumb

Look at it this way, Pac makes good opponents look average these days coz he has improved. Which is why he is running out of opponents now. cotto , clottey n marg are all top opponents. anyone else it too green or too old or only fights security guard & women

 

So instead of Cotto, clottey and Marg. Who should have fought pac ?

 

This is where some of you Pacquiao fans generalize and dont pay attention.

1. I've never said Pacquiao has'nt improved. He has made improvements, just not to the extent a ******* would like to think he has.
These improvements are easier implemented on a fighter thats not at the elite level.
Pac fans were yelling about these improvements after Pac's KO's of Morales.
The chant was "Pacquiao has improved and he punches with both hands now.

My chant right before the JMM-Pac rematch was, Pac has improved, but he wont be able to capitialze on those improvements against a master technician who's been doing it his whole career.
If Pac would try to box with Marquez, he'd get embarrassed.
Pac's improved but he's not on the boxistical level that Marquez and Mayweather are.
For Pac to be competitve against either of those, he's got to bring the heat, because boxistically, he'd be overmatched.

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2. I've never said Pacquiao is overrated. His boxing skills are being overrated by the hoards of Pacquiao fans here.
.....but I myself have never said Pacquiao the fighter is overrated.

Good boxing skill does not beat Paquiao, great skill is needed, so how can I be underrating him?

My bashing of Pacquiao over the last year or so has'nt been over his opposition, its been over this.......

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I think his opposition the last few times out have been credible, but that interview and his excuses for not wanting to have better PED testing for the Mayweather fight is certainly not credible.


Pacquiao's defeats to Marquez certainly does'nt equate to Pacquiao being a bad skill fighter, but he's just not a great skill fighter and that much is clear as day to me.

For anyone to say that Pacquiao boxing skills have improved to where he can box with the likes of real skilled elites like Marquez and Mayweather is living in fantasy land.

 

Which is why I have'nt criticized Pacquiao's oppostion at welter.

......there are certainly style clashes at welter that could give Pacquiao problems. A younger fighter with handspeed like Berto, or the physical freak Paul Williams who at one point was willing to come down to 147 lbs and fight Pacquiao.
.......those fighters present Pacquiao more of a dillema, but because those fighters dont have the name appeal that Cotto and Margarito do, I cant blame Pacquiao and Bozo Bob Arum for not even thinking about having Pacquiao fight them.

This last decision of Pacquiao's to fight Shane Mosley is widely recognized in the boxing media is cherry picking for Pacquiao.
Even boxing fans at Pacland who swing by Pac's nuts every day were about unanimous, I believe it was something like 81% thinking Pacquiao should be fighting Marquez instead of Mosley.

 

I'm a huge fan of Pac and I can straight up say that although it's obvious he has gained alot of experience and that this experience has made him a better, more intelligent fighter... his improvements are overstated on this forum. If anything I think that considering his age now and the weight he is fighting at, I would say that pound for pound overall he is on the downside of his career although he has gained experience.

 

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Why do people act like one dimensional fighter aren't great? This isn't basketball. There are plenty of one dimensional fighters who are great. IMO yes Pac has improved but he is still a one dimensional fighter.

 

Ok this is going nowhere. I say Pac was a fighter who was always moving forward and did not utilize angles earlier in his career. You say he always has been using angles. To each his own buddy. :roll:

But Cotto is not as not as stationary as you're saying. He outboxed both Judah and Mosley to convincing wins. The later rounds with the Cotto fight had Cotto back pedaling. Still Pac was catching him even while he was on the move.

 

His jab's decent but his right hook is the most improved.

 

What makes you think Pac would try to "Box" like jmm & fmj??

Fmj & Jmm box their style, Pac has improved his OWN style.
His speed is mostly still there, but his Ring generalship, IQ, risk taking, setups, and his accuracy have improved greatly (including his right). Look at his compubox stats.

I myself would have liked the jmm fight before mosely.

 

no he isnt

 

Pacquiao has always been a crazy angle kind of fighter.
......right before the Marquez rematch, Pacquiao outboxed MAB. There were forum members here who saw that who were convinced Pac could win a chess match with Marquez if he so chose.

Nacho Beristain was asked about how much more smooth and patient Pacquiao had looked in defeating MAB by UD, and how JMM would fare under the same cirmcumstances.......
....to which Beristain answered. Outboxing MAB was very impressive, but let me tell you if that Pacquiao shows up vs JMM, we invite it.
Beristain went as far as to say it would be an easy nights work if that Pacquiao showed up, and insisted that to him, Pacquiao is much more unpredicatable and more dangerous when he comes at you kamakazee and attacks you at wierd angles even while he's offbalance.

Nacho believed that an offbalanced Pacquiao throwing everything into his shots was much more dangerous and unpredictable for a good boxer to fight against.
"The fact that Pacquiao can be offbalance and suprise you with a crazy angled shot and do it with power, is what makes Pacquiao the figher he is."---Nacho Beristain

"If Pacquiao is balanced, smooth, and predictable, we invite it." ....is what Nacho said.

....and I agree with Nacho. JMM got caught more with that left of Pacquiao's in the first fight than he did in the rematch......and it had alot to do with Pacquiao's improving his balance, but as a result of that better balance, he became easier for Marquez to decipher.

Boxing had little to do with the Judah fight. In that fight Cotto was the aggressor and he devoured Judah in that style.

.....and the Mosley fight was far from convincing.....in fact I had Mosley winning a close decision that fight.

You seem to be mistaking backpedaling for boxing.
Those are two different things.

When Cotto was running from Mosley, all he was doing was sticking out an ineffective jab.
Mosley just is'nt very good at cutting off the ring on a moving target, but surely Cotto was'nt hitting Mosley with anything that would make Mosley cut or slow down his chase of Cotto.

Cotto did the same in the latter rounds vs Pacquiao.
Cotto was basically just backpedalling with an ineffective jab that does'nt deter a good fighter from advancing.

......and dont forget, that backpedaling by Cotto had Pacquiao very frustrated in those late rounds.
That was a wounded Cotto in those late rounds vs Pacquiao and still Pacquiao could'nt cut the ring off to finish Cotto.
That sheer movement (not boxing) by Cotto was troubling Pacquiao's ability to cut the ring and pounce.

I can take it even to the Margarito fight for Cotto.
Margarito down the stretch devoured the moving (not boxing) Cotto.

You could see the difference in the way Pacquiao went about punching at Margarito and the way Cotto did.

Pacquiao had the energy to go all night with moving, stoping on a dime and firing rapid fire.

In the first half of the fight Cotto was moving, and was effective when he stopped, let his hands loose with something in his punches, and then darted out again.

The difference in the Margarito fight between Cotto and Pacquiao was that Pacquiao had the energy to go at Margarito for 20 rounds, Cotto barely had enough to do it for 6 rounds.

:huhI'm wondering why Mayweather had the audacity to ask for better PED testing for Pacquiao?:huh:deal

 

Ya berto is still too green to concider, maybe next year after jmm? Paul williams ya could give him problems, but is he really that special? Clottey just didnt want to dance.
Look at PAcs latest fight to see how hes improved, The Monster Margarito:bbb:good Margo was fit as fck and looked like a killer in there, He was bigger, had knockout power and was more than able to keep pac busy.

Now pacs speed & power wasnt enough to knock Margarito down. So Pac played it wide, boxing and countering and gradually broke margarito down with his combos. PAc only chose to go toe to toe to set up a punch or a combination. It seemed like he was fighting smart, like try to box or something ?

Pacs left could only stun the Iron chinned margarito, Imagine he did it with his RIGHT :hi: Whats Jmm improvements lately? how do you envision his fight with pac would go?

 

What are you talking about? Championship fights before the 80's were 15 rounds. Heck Jack Dempsey fought fights with unlimited number of rounds. They on PEDs?

So if Cotto couldn't do it, Pac shouldn't be able to do it also. Makes sense if they were clones with the same genetic makeup. :roll: And yes. Pac looked tired in the late rounds of the Margarito fight. He was supposed to have some concert after the fight like what he did after the Cotto fight but it was cancelled due to the beating he took and exhaustion.