Manny Steward: "There’s unfinished business" between Vitali & Lennox

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  1. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=17890&more=1

    Manny said more about this in another interview but I can't find the quotes right now. Basically, he said he wants to see what would happen in the final 6 rounds of the first fight and he gave VK more props.

    Personally, I don't think Lewis will or should come back. I think he's too fat now, too old and never wanted a rematch in the first place after being battered in the original bout and out-thrown at a rate of near 2-to-1. It wasn't a good match-up for Lewis in the past, and it hasn't gotten any better between now and then. Like Roy Jones in the Calzaghe fight, Vitali has never before or since been cut as he was by the laces of Lewis' gloves and that occurrence is not likely to be duplicated in a rematch.

    Many people wonder what would have happened had the fight continued, but I don't think it's in Lennox Lewis' best interests to sign-on for a rematch at this stage of his life.
     
  2. mrbassie

    mrbassie Boxing Addict Full Member

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    laces lol, wasn't it his hair?
     
  3. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Lennox won fair and square - deal with it.

    Steward may say this, but there would be plenty of friction between Manny and Wlad. I doubt Klit jr would be happy with his trainer working with a guy to fight his brother.
     
  4. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No, it was the laces of his glove while following through on a right cross (hook?), I believe.

    The dreadlocks thing refers to Lewis' rubbing his hair against the cut after it had been opened in order to keep the blood flowing and widen the skin tear.

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    As I said above, Lewis got as fortunate an outcome as he is ever likely to get against Vitali, and that is part of why I feel he will not make a rematch, nor does he need to. Lennox cannot rely on Vitali's being cut again, so then it comes down to his ability to keep up with Vitali's workrate (not happening) and/or hurt/put down Vitali (not happening) so as to not lose on points or be stopped.

    Any way you look at it, it's a very daunting task. That is why Lennox was trailing on the cards when the fight was stopped, and it is why he went back on his word to make a rematch and instead retired. He made the right decision, and though those such as Steward will always have questions, I don't think Lenonox will, or should, make a return bout with Vitali at this point in his life.
     
  5. MrMagic

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    Manny is dreamin about all the green he will get for that fight if Lewis hired him as a trainer.

    Unfortunately, Lewis is too smart :hey
     
  6. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Or, perhaps, helping to train Vitali? :good

    Either way, Manny is seeing $$$, I agree. :deal
     
  7. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    How much would Lewis make from this fight, $25m?

    In which case Manny would net $2.5m - not bad.
     
  8. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Don King said something about offering $100 million for the fight, but that's probably a bunch of BS.

    Manny wants a little more retirement cash. :hey
     
  9. Scar

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    If he didn't sign for a rematch before then he definitely WON'T do so again, have you seen the shape Lewis is in?, he's in retirement shape and deserves to be after all he has achieved.

    I was one of the people enraged about the stoppage in the first fight and was begging for a rematch, it's now old news and Lewis is older. He won the first fight after brutal cuts caused by punches, based on boxing rules if a cut is caused by a punch after the 4th then it's a TKO and Vitali was in NO condition to continue, the cuts were BRUTAL and whoever wanted to see Vitali continue doesn't care about his health, he could have been blind. Yeah, Lewis was tired too but he wasn't badly cut like that and would still land punches at will at that point, Vitali didn't look that great in the 6th as far as I remember.
     
  10. MrMagic

    MrMagic Loyal Member Full Member

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    Perhaps, I've heard Manny talk bad about Lennox on various occasions actually :think

    Rumour has it, Manny was trying to FORCE Mike into an immediate rematch with Lennox Lewis and Lennox wouldn't let him do it.

    But who knows, he's definitely got dollar signs in his eyes for a mega- payday in another Lewis bout :yep:good
     
  11. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    If the fight had gone on, Vitali was getting knocked out.

    In truth, he ought to be grateful that the fight ended how it did, because then people could always say he gave Lennox a hard fight.
     
  12. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :good

    Lewis won the fight. The only reason he comes back now is if he wants the $$$. Otherwise, he has little to gain except maybe a return to the spotlight.
     
  13. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No. Lewis would have been stopped within 2 rounds, maximum. His nose seemed to be broken and he was totally out of gas. He couldn't do anything to Vitali (the 'super' uppercut did nothing and by the end of the round Vitali was back in control of the action), and he was physically spent. LL fell onto his stool at the end of the 6th.

    That was the luckiest night of Lennox's fight career. And that is why he retired and would not make a rematch. He got his ass kicked and no one knew it better than Lennox. He couldn't keep up with Vitali, couldn't significantly hurt VK even though Vitali couldn't see his right hands coming, wasn't in a position to win on points and was 1-2 rounds from being stopped after suffering a huge beating. Lennox won the fight the only way he could, and that's why he was so ornery in the post-fight interview. He knew what happened, so did Larry Merchant and so did any objective observer of the fight. It was better for Lennox to renege on his word than have to face Frankenstein again, and so he walked away from the sport after having won his own 6 round lottery.

    Smart man.
     
  14. Scar

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    Don't think he needs the money either, he was offered a whopping 25 million UK pounds(50 million dollars) and hasn't even responded to it, that sums it up right there.
     
  15. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree. Lewis seems to have done well with his investments. He was an excellent fighter and I wish him well. I don't think he gains anything from making this rematch, and I don't think he will or should take it, unless an obscene amount of money is tossed his way.