Manny Stewart goes into depth on Marciano

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  1. reznick

    reznick Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    From a 2010 interview, Stewart covers the bad and the good of RM:


    Q: Rocky Marciano was the only heavyweight champion to retire undefeated. A lot of people do not rate him highly, however, because he is considered too small by today’s heavyweight standard. How should Marciano be judged, by his size or by what he did in his era? Also, do you believe Marciano’s size would be an impediment for him today from being as dominant as he was?

    A: Marciano’s style definitely, he wouldn’t have made it today because when you don’t have size you make up for it with speed and he didn’t have the best speed, either. He came along at a time when there were still good heavyweights. I don’t think he gets the credit for what he should have gotten for fighting the guys like, even though Marciano was fighting (Ezzard) Charles when Charles was a little past his prime he was still a good tough fighter. I look at Archie Moore, when he knocked out Archie, I think Archie came back and went on another winning streak and really he had never even lost the light heavyweight title.

    I think he was the epitome of what we call just an “overachiever”. When I was at the Kronk Gym, we had big posters pictures of Marciano and no one could figure out why because he wasn’t considered a great, but when you looked at his record and you looked at his accomplishments regardless of what, all you can do is be the best of your era. I think of his era, he fought and he beat the best but the fact that he was a small guy, not that well coordinated, short arms, had so many different physical handicaps and went on to do what he did through just unbelievable training and conditioning and great one punch punching power. So you have to respect him for that, and there was nobody of his era that he dodged. He just couldn’t find anybody who was a great fast fighter so he did what he could do for his era—beat everybody who was out there.

    I think he was a much smarter fighter than people realize, too, in his own little short of way. I studied films of him, I would see him like get into a move and look like he’s going to move into a little clinch and just when he’s about to touch each other he changes in there with a short left hook, and he would sometimes look at your body like he was going to throw his right hand or jab to the body and then throw the right hand right over the top, but he was very cute and smart in his own ways because he knew he was handicapped in other areas.

    I think his punching power and conditioning were phenomenal. You look at the knockouts of (Jersey Joe) Walcott—one punch in the thirteenth round after losing and being knocked down, and then to come back with Archie Moore after being on the deck with Moore, who was still a good fighter, and came back and knocked him out, and then the cut, nose torn completely apart with Ezzard Charles and they told him they were about to stop the fight and he just comes storming out and scores a knockout over that. So you had to have a lot of respect for that. And he created the word “Rocky”. He made it have a lot of value because for particularly the Italian fighters the kid coming up, even today, a lot of them feel he’s still their hero because he had more impact I think as a champion, in particular for the Italian kids and the white fighters, than any fighter probably maybe that I know of in history because of that unbelievable one punch punching power and his image for being in unbelievable condition.
     
  2. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You left out the part where he said Marciano was;
    Very clumsy
    Had terrible balance
    Cut easy
    Was too small.
    Fought past prime fighters.
    So I posted the entire footage for you.
     
  3. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Can the mods create an forum entirely for threads about Marciano? Because this is all getting to be really, really silly.
     
  4. reznick

    reznick Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Everyone knows this video like the back of their hand because the people who hate Rocky post it every two weeks while shaking their tail feathers.

    I thought I would post something more original and less known with additional information.

    I didn’t leave anything out, I posted content from a source. But it seems you don’t care about any of that content, and are nipping at the heels to spotlight the played out disparaging information, despite the new info coming from the same exact person. Which should invite curiosity and analysis, not defensive reactions, but hey.
     
  5. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ive seen this video about ten times and posted it as a rebuttal last year.Yes you omitted negative things Steward said about Marciano whilst I last year posted the whole thing ,positive and negative.
    FYI I named Marciano as a classic overachiever on this very forum a year ago, and got flak from the usual Rockista fan boys claiming I was hating on Rocky!
    There are some very confused people in that Rocky Fan Club!
     
  6. louis54

    louis54 Active Member Full Member

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    What's the big deal....p4p marcian o was a great fighter
     
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    reznick Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Um, what exactly did I omit?
     
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    Did Steward ever train any successful heavyweights of his own from the start of their careers from his kronk gym or did he only have success from taking over already established heavyweights like Lewis and Wlad when they needed help to rebuild?
     
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  9. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Indeed he was!
     
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  10. mcvey

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    Terrible balance
    Very clumsy
    Too small
    Cut easily
    Opponents were past prime.
    None of which means he wasn't a great fighter, indeed it could possibly be argued it confirms it.
     
  11. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good question.
     
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  12. reznick

    reznick Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Uh, I didn’t omit any information from the content I sourced. Those are things you just wrote.

    Basically you’re saying I omitted mcvey editorial notes from a Manny Stewart interview? That’s quite an accusation to levy.
     
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  13. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    They are from the same video are they not?
    Those I itemised were in the video I referred to,are you saying they were not in yours?
     
  14. reznick

    reznick Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I didn't post a video, I posted a text interview.
     
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  15. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Then I withdraw my remarks.I thought you posted the video that has been seen here several times .
    My apologies.
     


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