Manny Wont Be A Legitimate 8 Weight Champ If He Wins....

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Peppermint, Oct 24, 2010.


  1. Lazarus

    Lazarus Realist Full Member

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    He might not be in your eyes, but for the many years after he retires, he will always be remembered for doing it, and not for this being at a catch-weight.
     
  2. LastQuark

    LastQuark Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Same thing has been said when he fought Cotto. What did he do next? He fought the best available welter at that time at full weight in Clottey.

    Who is the next best available light middle?
     
  3. caneman

    caneman 100% AllNatural Xylocaine Full Member

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    Terry Norris TKO4 Meldrick Taylor-- Las Vegas, May 9, 1992


    Welterweight champion Meldrick Taylor faced a daunting task against Terry Norris, the champion at junior middleweight, but his camp negotiated a weight limit of
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    This was three-and-a-half pounds inside the weight limit for Norris' division. The hope was that this would level the playing field.

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    wasn't enough to tip the scales in favor of Taylor, left.


    The clash of champions was keenly anticipated, with columnist Royce Feour writing in the Las Vegas Review-Journal: "The Norris-Taylor bout is one of the most ideal matchups that can be made in boxing today."

    Once the fight started, though, the physical advantages of Norris, who weighed 149 pounds, quickly became apparent. Taylor won the first round on two judges' cards but was then overpowered. As I reported from ringside for Boxing Monthly: "Taylor has fast hands, but he seemed physically and psychologically shaken by the rapidity of Norris's punching -- and Norris was hitting far harder."
     
  4. LastQuark

    LastQuark Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I thought about it. Well, you're right! :good
     
  5. Wiirdo

    Wiirdo Boxing Addict banned

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    Sugar Ray Leonard-Donny LaLonde is the biggest sham of all time. Fights a drained light heavy at 168 and he wins the super-middle and light-heavy titles. ****ing bull****.
     
  6. Davo

    Davo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Catch-weights are bull****. Manny doesn't give a **** though. At this point he's not looking to fight the best. He's done that. Now he just wants to make as much money as he possibly can with the least risk. Title fights are easier to promote and boxing organisations are corrupt as ****. Add in Arum and you have a recipe for the most bogus 'title' fight in a very long time.

    Duran must be sickened by all this.
     
  7. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    obviously i was not speaking about that particular case. there have been other cases of fighters moving up in weight in the past without those restrictions. those are the fighters i am refering to. im sure you can find examples of those fights also.
     
  8. Jetmax

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    If Pacquiao hasn't dismantled the likes of ODLH, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey before this fight with a bigger and taller MArgarito you wouldn't mind the belt being fought at 151. Hell you'll be singing praises on him for being gutsy and say win or lose he has your respect.

    You're one to tell. The same people who belittle belts and what they stand for. ****ing hypocrites. Just because you hate on the fighter it suddenly becomes important again.
     
  9. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    This
     
  10. Raskolnikov

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    Sugar Ray Leonard

    Pernell Whitaker

    Julio Cesar Chavez

    Bernard Hopkins

    Oscar De La Hoya


    These five ATGs all fought in world title fights at agreed catchweight limits.

    If it's good enough for these five, then it's good enough for Manny Pacquiao and Antonio Margarito...

    ...and certainly good enough for "Peppermint".
     
  11. caneman

    caneman 100% AllNatural Xylocaine Full Member

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    :good So did Henry Armstrong.
     
  12. Primenal

    Primenal Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Who cares really? The guy could have not chosen a decent title holder anyways...Instead of fighting Cotto he could have fought Berto easily. Instead of fighting Margarito he could have beaten Cotto again for his LMW belt, or have beaten Foreman himself.
    So, beating Cotto at 145 (2 pounds less than the WW limit, who weighed 146 the fight before Pac), and beating Margarito (4 pounds less than LMW limit, but who regulary fights WW anyways). Not really a big deal to me.
    I'm not exactly sure why Pac bothers in taking these catchweights anyways cuz the guy freakin bulldozed Cotto! If he'd have let him weigh 1 or 2 pounds more there'd be no issue with haters (granted they'd find another one), and I don't see the point with Margarito. If he weighed 154 as opposed to 150 I'd honestly think it'd be better for Pac. Pac beats him with speed/ skills any day of the week, and the bigger Marg gets THE SLOWER HE GETS! I don't care if Marg fights him at 180...Pac still decimates him!
     
  13. Peppermint

    Peppermint Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well Caneman, I guess I do stand corrected. in that example, yes, that would make me somewhat of a hypocrite. But, in all fairness to Norris, that was his 7th defence of the title. He won the WBC light middleweight title beating Mugabi within the 154 limit and defended within the limits for over a dozen title fights. Again, not criticising mannys opposition. Hes one of my favorite fighters and a legend reguardless. I just think this is a fair discussion.
     
  14. Peppermint

    Peppermint Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Haha well I like the way you put it. I have always said, manny was great even befor moving up to 130+. everything hes done from there has just added to his legacy. Beating Cotto was a great feat despite the weight limit. Not arguing that. Same thing if he beats margo. Credit to him. Im just saying hes not gonna be an 8 weight champ in my eyes. Still one of the best ever. I guess it doesnt matter, but its inaccurate.
     
  15. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    yea all that title talk is bs...fight is at 150 not 154