Manny's / Armstrong's jump in weight: once and for all.

Floyd loves the sport of boxing. He loves it so much he was willing to give up 40 million dollars to make sure it's drug testing policy got fixed.
He is truly a martyr for the sport!

 

DAMM you finally woke up and seen the LIGHT:goodwe cant let dirty fighters like MANNY ruin this sport with their TRASHatsch

 

WHERE did you heared that:huh

 

No disrespect Dizzle, but your description of the fighting style of "Homicide Hank" is incorrect!!

 

Classic!!!

 

If Manny's Father and Freddie Roach say he is then he must be!!

 

:thumbsup Bang on Damiann!!

 

What the hell are you talking about?

Guillermo Jones started his career at 147 and now holds a title at 200, and has fought at heavyweight, and most of his wins are by knockout.

Georges Carpentier started his career as a flyweight, was at his best as a light heavyweight, and several times fought hall of fame heavyweights.

Barbados Joe Walcott started as a flyweight and was at his best as a welterweight, and was a knockout artist at welterweight despite not being 5'2".

Floyd Mayweather fought at 106 as an amateur and has won titles as high as 154.

Miguel Cotto fought at 106 as an amateur and has won titles as high at 147.

Vinny Pazienza started his career as a lightweight and ended it as a light heavyweight.

Tommy Hearns started his career as a light welterweight and ended it as a cruiserweight.

Roberto Duran started his career as a lightweight and ended it as a light heavyweight, and was knocking guys out through middleweight.

If Manny Pacquiao had turned pro as a 19 year old at 122 pounds, nobody would be batting an eyelash at this. If Manny Pacquiao continued to drain weight and was still fighting at 135 (which I'm sure he could if he wanted to), nobody would be batting an eyelash.

He's gained something like 6 pounds of ring weight in the past three years. Yes, his weigh-in weight has gone up by 17 pounds, but he's just draining less, and as a result, has more strength during fights.

Back in the old days, when there were same-day weigh ins, Pac never would have fought below 122, and would have been a junior welterweight for years now.

 

:yep:good

 

I'd say Armstrong's power was at the very least as good as Pac's, certainly more proven. During the 3 year reign where he captured the Feather, Light, and Welterweight titles (defending the latter 18 times) his record was 59-1-1, with 51 KO's against elite opposition, most of them in the early rounds rather than late.

And he was elusive. He got hit a lot certainly, as is any fighter who fights in that style, but his bob and weave style allowed him to roll with the punches and outright avoid them a lot more than people seem to believe based on what they've heard. He also countered very well out of the crouch.

 

Correction, he started off weighing around the Feather/Lightweight limit, and panned out around the Welterweight limit. And of course I have to mention that he was one of the very best Heavyweight fighters and punchers of his day despite the physical handicaps. Talk about a freak of nature.

 

Zivic's tactics in those fights made Sandy Saddler look like Floyd Patterson.

 

Where did you learn to do math? Based on the numbers you've provided it's a 38 pound jump for Pac, not 31.

Armstrong: 120 to 148 = 28 pound jump
Pac: 106 to 144 = 38 pound jump

 

What does the fact that Pacquiao has put on more weight than Armstrong have to do with anything? In reality Armstrong's achievements are all the more impressive considering he routinely weighed in just over the Lightweight limit for the majority of his Welterweight defenses. In order to even get over the minimum requirement to fight at Welterweight he had to gorge himself with food and drink cases of beer. He was that small, yet he managed to defend the Welterweight title a record amount of times in a very strong era. We're talking a Featherweight here. Not a guy who used to campaign at the weight that managed to put on a whole heap of muscle to carry his attributes, but a guy that literally was a bloated Featherweight for the majority of his unprecedented run.