Manny's tactics

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  1. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    First off, congratulations to Floyd. A relatively easy win for him.

    Second, I'm not a huge fan of either guy, so I don't want any talk of being a ***** or a Pac**** etc.

    Now IMHO, Manny's tactics were bizarre.

    Does anyone agree?

    When Floyd had his back to the ropes, why did Manny wait on him? The only success he had while Floyd was on the ropes, was in the third round. Now it doesn't matter if most of the shots didn't get through, because the majority of judges will score rounds like that to the aggressor. That's why a crude slugger like Madaina was so successful, especially in their first fight. Madaina threw the kitchen sink at him, and he was rewarded for his efforts. If Manny had committed to walking him down more and throwing lots of shots, he would have had a lot more success. Floyd backed himself on to the ropes on numerous occasions. The openings were there. But Manny waited and backed off just like Canelo did. Why on earth was he trying to outbox him in the center of the ring?

    My other question is: Why wasn't Freddie screaming at him in the corner at the end of the rounds? There seemed to be no real emotion whatsoever. I found the whole situation bizarre.

    Finally, how the hell did Manny think he'd won the fight? I could only give him 2-3 rounds.

    Again, congratulations to Floyd. But if I was a big fan of Manny's, I'd be extremely upset with the game plan that they tried to implement. No aggression, no volume. A very flat performance.
     
  2. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mayweather just found the way to escape from the ropes. This was done by clinching or moving away. He still has fast legs.
     
  3. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    There were many occasions where Floyd didn't have to escape from the ropes, because Manny never pressed him.

    It was bizarre watching Manny trying to outbox him in the center of the ring. What the hell were him and Freddie doing in the gym for all those weeks?
     
  4. Akxtinguish

    Akxtinguish Belt holder Full Member

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    Agreed, Manny wasn't willing to commit and throw more combos when he had the chance. Floyd kept luring him into the ropes and Manny was way too hesitant.

    Floyd knows how to win rounds and he knows what the judges are looking for. Simple as that. If his opponent isn't landing, Floyd will content himself with a few well placed counters and he'll defend in what remains of the 3 minutes.

    With a little more aggression, Pacquaio could have turned the scorecards around or at least forced Floyd out of his comfort zone.
     
  5. Typhoon

    Typhoon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What i noticed is that unlike Maidana, Canelp and many others, Manny had the speed to trouble Floyd. When they exchanged, Manny looked dangerous and at least as fast as Floyd. The problem is floyd controlled the range well and moved a lot. Manny had a hard time getting inside, within his range. Part of this was due to Floyd but Pac was also more cautious than i'm accustomed to seeing. He was afraid of the counters, which was a disappointment to me. He should've taken more risks but i'm just a guy on a forum and i was't facing Floyd's counters. I felt Manny needed to step in and throw a lot more. I did hear Freedie telling him to be careful though.
     
  6. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Exactly.

    That performance has to hurt Manny's hardcore supporters.

    No volume, no pressure, yet he was content to try and outbox Floyd in the center of the ring, all while Freddie remained silent.

    I couldn't believe what I was watching.

    Did they not see the Oscar and Madaina fights?
     
  7. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I know he was afraid of getting countered, and Canelo was the same. But he signed for the fight, and that was his only realistic chance of winning. A few more rounds like the third one, where Floyd was covering up, and Manny was landing, would have banked him more rounds. Judges will score on aggression and work rate. Freddie should have been screaming at him to pour forward. I can't believe that Manny carried out the game plan that Freddie laid out. Surely not? But again, if he didn't, why wasn't Freddie doing anything in the corner?
     
  8. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    I thought Floyd buzzed Manny a few times with that right really early in the fight, really stopped Manny in his tracks, clearly wide open to that counter right, he could take some but not too many.

    I thought his corner and himself would of had some other options cuz the chances of that happening shouldnt of really come as a surprise. But i saw nothing. Maybe for Manny there was no answer to what to do next against this particular opponant.

    I didnt really see any changes to what Manny was trying to do.
     
  9. Moanamchara

    Moanamchara Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He was getting countered by Floyd a lot and obviously didn't like it. Floyd hit him hard in the first round and I believe it made Manny respect his power but more importantly the accuracy in which he can land his power shots/counters. Floyd always nullifies his opponents offense he's a very good defensive fighter.
     
  10. Anglosaxon

    Anglosaxon FASTEST HANDS ON ESB Full Member

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    It was an easy win, do nothing, don't get ko'ed, run and leave it up to the judges.
     
  11. Steve_Fox

    Steve_Fox Well-Known Member Full Member

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    he felt Floyd power , thats why he was hesitant , scared of getting countered,

    happens to every Floyd oponent
     
  12. Typhoon

    Typhoon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He definitely gave Floyd problems with his hand speed when he was within range, mores that other fighters Floyd had faced. I just wanted Manny to be more aggressive. I think it was a combination of Freddie telling him not to step in recklessly and Manny being afraid of counters. He must of felt the few rights floyd landed. I still feel Pacquiao has the best shot of beating Floyd due to hand speed, problem is he has to take more risks. Floyd was clearly not comfortable with Manny's hand speed when Manny let his hands loose.
     
  13. Beast-Mode

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    I couldn't hear what was being said in between rounds because of the loud crowd I was surrounded by. It seemed like there wasn't any urgency coming from Manny's corner so maybe they did think he was winning. Possibly a big sign that Roach needs to call it quits as well.
     
  14. Holy Grail

    Holy Grail Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Because Floyd sets traps on the ropes and Manny was aware of that
     
  15. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Manny was quite careful about picking when to throw his shots because otherwise he would miss and Floyd would counter him. Simple as that. When somebody avoids your shots and counters them, it makes you reluctant to continue to throw punches, miss and eat counters.

    Manny probably thought he won because things can seem very different when you are in the ring fighting. He's concentrating on fighting, not keeping track of who is winning. From his point of view he just see's himself pressing the action and Floyd running away from him for the most part.