Not that I know of. I had it even after 10, but if you were to score it all as one big round it would be to Floyd. I had Floyd winning 11 and 12 to win
The only way manny wins is if he fought every round like round 4 which pre 2010 he used to do this fight was 5 years too late
Manny basically tried to counter punch the best counter puncher in the game. I think the punch stats show this: Mayweather vs Guerrero 195/476 (41%) vs 113/581 (19%) Mayweather vs Alvarez 232/505 (46%) vs 117/526 (22%) Mayweather vs Maidana 1 230/426 (54%) vs 221/858 (26%) Mayweather vs Maidana 2 166/326 (51%) vs 122/572 (21%) Mayweather vs Pacquiao 148/435 (34%) vs 81/429 (19%) Mayweather has great defence and lands at a high percentage. Against Pacquiao he landed at a very low 34%. The problem was that while Pacquiao made Mayweather miss, land at a low percent, and wasn't really bothered by any of his punches, Manny was landing at even lower percentage. To be a top counter puncher you need quick reflexes, speed, and reach, and that is just the physical components. Pacquiao really only had speed and reflexes, but Mayweather had the height and reach advantage, and a lot more skilled at counters. I can think of a couple of reasons Roach and Pacquiao went with this approach. Many tried aggressively fighting Mayweather to only get countered and lose the decision. Pacquiao has been called out for not being a cerebral fighter so they may have wanted to prove they could out box Mayweather at his own game. Pacquiao had been evolving ever so slowly into a counter puncher, and really made the switch after the Marquez KO. I'm sure Pacquiao and Roach were also cognizant that a well timed counter could leave Pacquiao on shaky legs. They probably thought a well timed counter from Pac could leave Mayweather on shaky legs, which it did in the 3rd or 4th round (I don't remember which). However if you are not landing consistently enough then it doesn't matter. I think Manny landed more counter punches than anyone else has, but it was a flawed plan from the get go. I think Pacquiao of old needed to show up and feint Mayweather up stairs down stairs, side to side foot movement, etc. Roach and Pacquiao needed to realize Manny's strength and weaknesses. Pacquiao is not a master class counter puncher like Mayweather, and he didn't have the reach advantage to do it. Pacquiao does well when he is feinting his opponent, moving side to side, and throwing punches in odd angles. I think Pacquiao should have done this especially when Mayweather was on the ropes, but kept up with the flawed game plan.
I think by criticising Pacquiao's tactics we are probably being unfair to Floyd. Like your good self, I am a fan of both and as such I have no reason to be biased. It seems to me that Mayweather is simply an incredibly talented defensive fighter.. And probably much better than even we as knowledgeable and impartial boxing fans consider him to be. Your choice of Canelo may be perfect illustration of this. Canelo is an aggressive fighter and a larger man than Floyd.. And yet, at times he looked gun shy and completely bereft of ideas during their fight. I remember thinking "What the hell are you doing Alvarez? Do something man!" The fact that Mayweather was able to stymie Manny's offence (often shutting it down before it could even get going) in such a manner was most telling. And the reason that Maidana had success early in their first fight is probably due to Chino applying a "***** to the wall" approach and brawling (which comes naturally to MM) and generally unsettling Floyd for a few rounds (and that's all it was over the two fights to be fair). Carl Froch may have summed it up best when he stated that having not witnessed Mayweather fight "up close" before, he only realised last night just how brilliant Floyd is!! Maybe Mayweather shutting down quality aggressive opponents like Canelo and Pacquiao makes us think that the fault lies with Floyd's opponents. And because it seems too easy for Floyd at times we perhaps do not fully appreciate just how truly great a defensive fighter he is. Rather like watching a great surgeon perform a life saving operation, we can comprehend that there is a great deal of skill being used.. But it would only be when the scalpel is put in our hands that we would realise just how little we actually know about the sugeon's craft.
I also want to add I think Mayweather also showed that he is the better fighter and has the better corner. Even if this fight happened 5 years ago chances would have been Roach would have failed Pacquiao with the wrong game plan. I just think it would have been more competitive and Pacquiao would have had a shot, but Mayweather's skill and consistency would ultimately have to be favored.
I agree, just look at manny being flat footed from the opening bell, what happens to his bouncing? His footmovment wins his fights, yet he comes straight in as everyone knows you can't do with Floyd, it was very bizarre and he was doing this before even being hit. But I did have Manny winning 4 rounds, maybe 5, but definitely lost the championship rounds. that was not the same manny we've seen in the past, I'm surprised he didn't try to say his ankle hurt or something lol
I was hoping this thread would keep going. I'ma bump it. I also agree. Pacquiao should have used more foot movement. He needed to get Mayweather worried and thinking about what Pacquiao was going to do. It looked like Pacquiao was spending too much time looking at what Mayweather was going to do.
Because Pac has no inside game, we told you that preflight, pac gets uncomfortable when he is on the inside too long. Floyd was setting traps all night, pac was weary of getting rope a doped. He knew that the flurries weren't landing, Floyd was just waiting to counter. I feel bad for Manny I am sure he is in disbelief of how ineffective he was against Floyd's armor
I'm not sure about that. He's punches were landing clearly against Bradley in the rematch, yet he still backed off from the ropes. I think he just tries to stop and reset too often, instead of being a continuous assault.