Manuel Charr: B level OR C level fighter?

One of the worst fighters ever

F-

 

Good enough for Vitz

 

Definitely C-minus level.

1. How is he a champion but would likely lose to the majority of guys in the top 15?
1a. His most recent losses include 2 guys not even ranked in the top 15, one not even ranked at HW.
2. How is he a "defending" champion but hasn't fought in 3 years?
3. How is his mandatory a fighter that hasn't fought in 6 years?

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I wonder if crippled haye could actually beat him if the fight came off

close one

 

Shot Charr vs Shot Holy, potentially a great fight

Due to his ATG status, Holyfield is the favorite to regain his WBA belt

 

All of them were clearly better than Charr

 

They were clearly better than prime Charr, but if we shot all of them....how many of them will be able to comeback and win the WBA Regular Heavyweight championship belt, there is a Vinny Pazesque element to Charr accomplishment

 

Not sure what C/D is....but those folks are definitely Elite humans who are dimensions above 99.999% of plain average people, so using C or D implies we are giving (E/F = average tough guy)

As of Charr current ability, would be nice to test him vs current Holyfield, Fully healed Toe Haye

 

He's from Lebanon, it's not all Arabs there. Might be a Phoenician

 

He is from the ISIS-Kurdish contested region in Anatolia.

Those folks are a mix of many people, but they identify as Turk or Arab or Kurd or German depending on their self-identification, a big percentage of the Lebanese in Germany are second step migrants from that region.

 

Wikipedia says that he's born in Beirut, Lebanon. The true coastal Lebanese are not Arab. But the same Wiki page also says that his nationalities are Syrian and German so you might be right.

 

Possibly...

Identity in the middle east is based on religion/superstition, its not as genetic/tribal as Europe or Africa.

Maybe you can relate to Italy better...

The true people of Eastern Sicily are Greeks, but then lots of people showed up & the result is the 19th century "Italian Americans" who immigrated because they were discriminated against by the mainland Italy dominated by the Piedmont deep state, who found themselves giving up their mainland in return of complete control over largely feudal Peasantry in the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies. It was all done in the name of progress & modernization, the effect was amplified in Eastern Sicily, because the traditionally Anti-Greek Sicilians of Palermo paid their taxes of their eastern portion of the island, the poor abused East Sicilians, then took the ships out to start a new life in the new world...

...So the the stories in the North vary, but in Lombardy

The true people of Lombardy are Celts, after a short lived Pax-Romana, Germans made it their seasonal R&R for 1000 years of German Holy-Romanization, So you see, way back then, uh, North Italians were like, uh, wogs from Southern Italy. Ah, they all had dark hair and dark eyes, but, uh, well, then the Krauts moved in there, and uh, well, they changed the whole country. They did so much walkin' with North Italian women, huh? That they changed the whole bloodline forever. That's why dark hair and dark eyes became light hair and blue eyes. You know, it's absolutely amazing to me to think that to this day, hundreds of years later, that, uh, that North Italians still carry that German gene. Now this