Many people consider Sugar Ray Robinson the GOAT...

:nono

 

An absoulte world class talent. p4p #1 all time perhaps.

Now who's exaggerating? Robinson was nowhere near as old as Moore or Hopkins when having great wins. Also, Lewis was older than Robinson when champ at the highest level.

 

Robinson had a really high level of competition. Calzaghe didn't.

Is Phil Taylor that darts player?

 

Kid Gavlin is an ATG. Fritzie Zivic was a wonderful fighter, another ATG. Robinson beat them both.

You don't rate LaMotta at all. I see him as a top 20 MW, all time, and although he was short he was also a "big" MW, in that he struggled to get his body down.

So that's 3 ATG's as I see things, and as is generally accepted - and without really trying.

Calzaghe has 0 ATG's.

Does Phil Taylor?

 

Is Bobby George the one with all the gold?

Well look, it's all interesting and that, but you've basicallly done 0 to convince me to even have a look at the status of guys like Zivic and Gavlin. I'm not actually convinced you know very much about them at all.

The weird thing is i am usually quite hard on Robinson and his level of competion, but the reason is that there were better fighters out there that he could have taken on.

For example, if he'd fought Burley, Williams and Booker, these probably would have been the three best fighters he'd ever fought.

So there's a long way for me to go before I can be made to understand your point of view. Because you haven't even dealt with the "weaker" fighters of the era, the ones Robinson took on.

 

Darts probably has less to do with internal than almost any other sport. Boxing has the most out of any sport, somewhere in the tune of 99% according to some.

Anyway, when you wipe out the 40's for quality, please don't forget the black murderers row. It would be a shame if they missed out on the devestation of their era, because they sure as **** missed out on the credit for making it the very best.

 

I don't think it was gradual.

 

When abouts do I reckon what you crazy ******?

Look, the simplest way to put it would be this; I don't think Langford would have any problems beating Calzaghe under his ruleset. I think he would knock Joe out probably early and probably with a body attack.

The crazy ****** thing isn't meant to be disparaging, just the question made me laugh is all.