Marcel Cerdan vs Bernard Hopkins

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  1. thistle1

    thistle1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    yeah thats it.
     
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  2. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Cerdan on points. bet the ranch on it
     
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  3. Lord Tywin

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    You'd owe me a ranch.
     
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  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Even as an old boy, B-Hop was capable of hitting the scales at 156lbs which gives him 4lbs of water to play with. Just as Robinson was at one point a 5'11 lightweight and Al Brown was at one time a 5'11 flyweight, Hopkins was a 6'1 middleweight.

    I think he would break down and stop Cerdan over 15 though no money would go down on that. I feel comfy picking Hopkins to win.
     
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  5. Lord Tywin

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    Thats a really good point McGrain. Wasn't Hopkins even on record as willing to go down to 154 to face Vargas and Reid before Trinidad got to them?

    Hopkins was a big middleweight but he could make the weight easily and still dominate the other top fighters in and around his division. Im not sure how he would fair in an era of same-day weigh ins but its not as if he is an Arturo Gatti who abused the system by using PEDs and diuretics to make a weight that was at least 20 pounds below his walking around weight.
     
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  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Even as a same day weigh-in, he'd be ok is my guess. He hit 156 and rehydrated without any apparent trouble aged forty-two or whatever. Aged 25? He could hit 160 and re-hydrate for eight hours without issue is my guess. You never really know for sure, but there have always - always - been guys who were tall for their division.
     
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  7. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Good point really. Only Hopkins knows his body and LOL @ thistle calling Hopkins a heavyweight :nut

    Hopkins at MW scares the **** out of thistle for some reason.
     
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  8. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Don't you worry about these scumbags thistle.What we have here is the kind of men who might consider picking Herol Graham, Nigel Benn or Chris Eubank over Bert gilroy and Ginger Sadd, or stating that those would be competitive interesting fights.

    Scum.
     
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  9. McGrain

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    :lol:
     
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  10. Flea Man

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    Some of these punks consider all of the above greater than Tony Sibson.

    It's a ****ing outrage.
     
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  11. thistle1

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    no one called BHop a HW, but a Hopkinns the stature that he IS, 6'1" and a natural 170lb+ man, remember he started life as a L-HW.

    so why do some of you 'refuse' to accept that Bernard living in the 1940s would'nt have done the same as his contempories?

    he wasn't skin and bone like Sadler or Williams, he was a 'natural L-HW who started there even in his OWN TIME.

    so to think he's suddenly going to have this 50 year advanced thinking contrary to al his peers and suddenly say, "hey guys I think I'll compete at 160" or even less as some of you are trying to pretend is absolute rediculous bull****.

    If in the 1940s, Hopkins would have done precisely like the rest of his peers and that would be to fight at L-HW finishing at HW, just the same as he's done precisely as his peers now, and that is fight in divisions 1 or 2 DOWN from your natural weight.

    this is not hard to understand, except some people just don't want to think of BHop fighting the Conns & co, rather than the Zales and co.
     
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  12. McGrain

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    Hey, made 156 on the scales aged 40 plus, it's pretty clear that he's a natural mw to me.
     
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