Marcel Cerdan vs James Toney At MW

Same day era vs next day era. Just leave the argument at that.

Cross era hypotheticals don't work the way most people think (or rather pretend). If you want to make it fair, you're gonna have to match Henry Armstrong with Naoya Inoue at Bantamweight in the modern era or you're gonna have to match Errol Spence with young Floyd Patterson at Lt. Heavy if the match were set pre-80s.

 

As usual you are delusional. Most of Cerdan's wins were against sub par European fighters. His excellent win over Zale was an old Tony Zale that had been through a ton of wars. Zale retired right after. Rewatch Toney vs Nunn. Nunn was getting beatdown the last few rounds. It was no lucky punch. Toney has wins in multiple weight classes against multiple bad asses over 30 years. Don't bother responding since I don't value anything you have to say.

 

Sub- Par you say : Holman Williams, Anton Raadik, George Abrams, Bert Gilroy, Cyrille Delanoit, and Harold Green, Mmmm.

 

Cerdan is a Top 5 overrated fighter in the history of the sport.

Please to name his best victims after a tired, old Zale. Give me the next 4.

Toney KO11

 

Only if Toney fights with one hand behind his back

 

I did say most. Everyone loved to look at that 100 plus win record. Lots of names are pretty obscure and with losing records. Holman William's was a great fighter but like Zale was on the downside. Again, Cerdan was a great fighter in his era but I don't see him beating Toney. He is not going to have the power to hurt him and I don't see one singular category that he exceeds Toney in.

 

Williams and Abrams were at the tail end of any claims to being elite.

 

I agree with you but if the OP hand same day weigh in in mind I don't think Toney would even be able to make 160 in that era. Toney was a star high school football player that was a solid 200 pounds at 18 years old and was heavily recruited to play college ball. His anger issues and love to fight keep on a course to become a fighter. I am

 

Well there was only 3 because er, well er, he died !!!

 

He was 33 with 114 fights. He had ample time to be elite.

 

Nunn was edging the rounds but James was doing more damage. Like Chavez vs Taylor. He koed the 3 number 3 lb for lb fighter in his hometown as a 20-1 underdog after body punching the **** out of him.

 

You again? Why are you beating the drum so hard for Cerdan here? Outside of the Zale and Lamotta fights, the majority of his fights don't even exist on film. Again, for over 30 years Toney beat kicked ass and took names. After watching both I can't see any area that Cerdan excels in over Toney bot to mention he is of the same day weight era and significantly smaller than Toney. The only chance he has with the style he fights is to somehow out work Toney which I say good ****ing luck with that. Jirov and Barkley tried and failed at that despite being way bigger than Cerdan and significantly harder punchers.

It's interesting that you keep saying Nunn was weight drained and that is why he lost to Toney but then reference his Tiberi fight which Toney was clearly weight drained for himself. Like I said, Toney was a 200 star football player in high school. I have meet him twice and will tell you he is a thick/stocky muscular guy just like Tyson and Mormeck who I also met in person. The guy had to kill himself to make 160 and would not make that weight if he fought in the 1940's.

I'm bored with you troll. It's obvious that you have an agenda and are picking Cerdan dispite only having access to a few fights and giving him credit for his glorious record that was MOSTLY achieved against sub par European fighters. Again, he was a very good fighter in his era that beat a great fighter in Zale although he was old and a few other top guys like William's(also old). Sure, Toney had some fights that he looked like **** in because of his weight/lifestyle issues but he was without question the better fighter with a much greater arsenal. Watch Zale/Cerdan and Toney/McCallum. If you can honestly say Zale/Cerdan are the more skilled fighters than I don't know what else to tell you.

Neither one of us is going to convince the other of anything so, goodbye!

 

That's the fight I always compare it to too. If you can't see Toney breaking Nunn down you simply don't know what you're watching.

 

Dumbass. You are asking me if I understand English? You butcher the English language every time you type one of your stupid ass responses. You ask what does the Jirov fight matter since it what not at middleweight? It matters because if he could take the much harder punches and pressure from Jirov , he absolutely would not be bothered by that little Frenchman. Now go away troll.