Marcel Cerdan vs. Tony Zale (Should It Have Been 1948 FOTY?)

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  1. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I thought it was cool and interesting to see everything leading up to the fight. Especially that Zale sparred with Georges Carpentier in preparation for the fight.

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    I thought it was kind of amusing how when the ring instructions were given it took longer than usual because of the language barrier.

    1. Both started initially cautious, but that was fleeting. Zale started off the fight with a quick flurry to the body and Cerdan replied with a double left hook. The fight was mostly even with both focusing their attacks onto the body. Cerdan swung the round his way when he connected with an overhand right that jolted Zale, who quickly covered up. Cerdan stayed in close and threw all his bombs at Zale. The remainder of the round was mostly even. Cerdan scored well, as did Zale at times. Once more did Cerdan seem to have Zale hurt. However, having Tony Zale hurt does not necessarily come in the form of the knockdown. In this case, it was the fact that Zale was tying Cerdan up so often. Cerdan.
    2. Zale came to blast out Cerdan. The barrage didn't last long though, and Cerdan eventually took over, scoring again and again with overhand rights. A left jab hurt Zale at the end. Cerdan.
    5. Zale landed a good right uppercut to the body of Cerdan. Cerdan then sprung into action, hurting Zale with terrific flurry. It culminated with Cerdan smashing a big right hook then a left into Zale. Cerdan.
    6. Cerdan started fast, landing some left hooks to the body. The pace slowed incredibly afterwards though. Most of the round was filled with clinching and mauling, usually done by Zale. Even.
    7. Zale was too slow to take any defensive action against Cerdan. Cerdan was clearly tired as well as he was now initiating clinches more frequently than Zale. Very dull round. Even.
    8. Zale countered well early on. Cerdan pulled out a successful overhand right once again after some bouts of mauling. Cerdan.
    10. Cerdan landed some good left hooks and a right. Zale quickly countered back, but Cerdan hurt him again with a triple left hook and a flurry to the abdomen. Cerdan pinned Zale in the corner with a furious barrage, but Zale cleverly stepped out of it and got in a lick of his own. Cerdan.
    11. Cerdan consistenly beat Zale to the punch. A left hook staggered Zale, but Cerdan had no follow-up. Two more big left hooks finally KO'd a battered Zale, while still on the ropes. Zale was KO'd before he even began to fall. WHAM! and he was out. He slowly began to fall forward to the canvas, but the referee caught him and helped him down slowly, and then his corner came and brought him back to his corner of the ring. Cerdan was the new middleweight champion of the world by RTD.

    Final score: Though some rounds were missing, the ones supplied were in full. Though the early rounds were very close and competitive, my final score reflects a pretty one-sided match, which the fight grew to be after round 5. Of the 8 rounds shown: 5-0-2 going into the 11th, in favor of Cerdan.

    Verdict: I would call this a classic. It was a particularly good fight from rounds 1-5, and 10-11. In between it was meh.

    So, do you think this should have been FOTY? It was a good fight, but was it really the year's best? I find that hard to believe. Love to know what you all think.
     
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  2. Jason Thomas

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    Too much clinching for me. I would give the fight of the year or the fights I have seen to Louis-Walcott. More skill shown. And a better ending.

    The announcer said at one point that Zale was 30, but I think he was 34 or 35. He was older than Cerdan. Zale didn't show much in this fight.

    Cerdan looks very good, but it is possible his best days were already behind him. He was 32. He seemed to be tiring in the middle rounds but then came on again.
     
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  3. thistle

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    ^^^ I remind people of that all the time, most don't realise Cerdan too was at the end of his career, they both fought as long as each other and were 2 years in age apart.

    others want to insist his 'Non American' comp was not the best. Rediculous.

    2 Points - We Know, Generally Speaking the US had the largest pool of fighters, champions and contenders where other countries had some, few or next to none - yes, So What???

    Every fighter with 15 - 20 year Careers and 100 - 200 fights, fight a lot of journeymen and 2cd & 3rd teir fighters, Every fighter with such numbers of fights.

    But we're not talking about those fighters, we're talking about TOP NOTED Fighters, Cerdan fought atleast 20 of them, Champs, Contenders or Noted Fighters... that's a normal and accepted guage for most Busy Resumes'

    if the USA produce thousands of great fighters and Zimbabwe by comparison only produce 3 TOP great fighters, guess what, their still great, when they prove themselves against other Top Noted great fighters, be they Champs, former champs, contenders and Top Noted fighters...

    I always point to Robert Villemain, whom I call "the Proof Fighter", Villemain was a 5' 6" Welterweight cum middleweight, he was 'among the Best in Europe & Britain, but NOT the Best, yet he had no difficult plying his trade States side... again the Point is, TOP Men are Top Men, irrespective 'if' their homeland only produces a handful of them.

    Lastly, the World was a Much Bigger place back then, travel wasn't as quick, easy and as cheap as it is today... there were only 8 Divisions and Hundreds of Thousands of Fighters competing Worldwide,

    do you honestly believe that Strong, Healthy, Fit, Capable, Hard, Tough and Athletic men, were'nt a hard nights work, generally speaking... don't be rediculous
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    try it with just 20 or 30 fights against them, see how well you do and that's before you get anywhere near the TOP.

    acheivements, compubox and US Only has given us such 'modern' talk as poor comp and 10 or 15 type teir levels - Nonsence.

    there is Only about 3 different Levels among Top Men... and there is 'little' between them.

    "Seconds Out"
     
  4. William Walker

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    Brilliant post.
     
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  5. Man_Machine

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    The Zale/Graziano rubber-match was probably more deserving, but the pair had received the FOTY award, two years running already, in what were more or less replica contests.

    I sometimes wonder if Zale/Cerdan received the FOTY recognition, as a backdoor means to acknowledging Zale for his starching of Graziano, in their rubber-match, earlier the same year. This, along with the fact Zale had been considering retirement, during '48 (which I think he eventually announced in early '49).
     
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  6. robert ungurean

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    Zale was shot here IMO. He was very stiff and easy to hit by this point. He was no longer bending the knees and moving his head like he used too
    Check the Soose clips to see what I mean
     
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  7. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1946-1947 Zale vs. 1948 Cerdan would have been a truly excellent fight. You can see in their actual fight that they are a good matchup, but Zale's condition by this point kind of prevents the match from being any better.
     
  8. Man_Machine

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    Apparently, Zale's team absolutely insisted he retire, even though there was an attractive fee to be made from the Cerdan rematch.
     
  9. tommytheduke

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    Horrible beatdown, but Zale was shot to ****, nearly nine years past his peak. It should have been different had both been in their primes.
     
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  10. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    As well as a match against Sugar Ray Robinson in 1950.
     
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  11. Man_Machine

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    I know Robinson was being mooted as a potential Zale opponent, in '48. I wasn't aware it was a possibility in '50. Although, I seem to recall some loose talk about Zale being tempted back in '52, prior to the Maxim/Robinson match - after which, Robinson himself went into retirement for two to three years.
     
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  12. William Walker

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    Ah yes, I believe you're correct. I believe it was '52.
     
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