March 8th 1971 - Fight Of The Century

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I hope you are kidding but I fear you are not.

 

Alex i think you're a massive ****, in these classic forums.

 

I just looked it up in the Farmer's Almanac for that year, and yes, it states definitively that Joe Frazier's prime ended on January 27, of 1971. So I think that settles it. New thread, please.

 

Why don't you tell us how you really feel, P?

 

Oh im well aware of the claims alright, funny how he couldnt see the punches AFTER Ali closed his eye. He hadnt much trouble seeing right-hands prior to that.

You failed to answer my question about how he 'improved' his chin.Please elaborate how his chin was better as i must be the only one who doesnt know this. Making a statement like that says to me that your not long into your boxing. Can i have a guess at your age? 19/20yr old max? Am i right? Not that theres anything wrong with that as i know quite a few of this age that know their stuff, but you sir do not.

 

Funnily enough,I can remember one of my own form teachers crowing about Ali losing "That draft dodging bigmouth got what he deserved" kind of thing. Goes to show how that fight totally transcended boxing. Even non boxing fans,who probably thought that an uppercut was a hairstyle,had a view on it.

 

Fact is,Ali always did have great punch resistance. What you're probably getting at is Ali being knocked down by Sonny Banks and Henry Cooper,and not even remotely appearing to be in danger of going down against George Foreman,who was a much harder hitter than Cooper or Banks. My theory is that in his later career,Muhammad learned how to roll with big punches better than he did in his younger days.

 

must admit that i never saw ali with his hands down to much against foreman, but against sir cooper of henry and others earlier his his career his hands were often pretty low

 

Gotta go with 1968 thru early-1970 'Smokin Joe', when he was at his
quickest.

Damn, Light Heavyweight Ray Anderson was beating up Joe pretty good in those
sparring sessions in February 71' (up at the Concord Hotel) for the FOTC.

Once the ankle injury happened in early-1970, Smokin Joe was not the same.

Throw out the Bob Foster fight in late-1970. That fight had no bearing on Joe.

Many fighters out there in 1967 and early-1968 had no respect for Joe, as they all
felt he was avoiding the tough guys.

The sparring and training partners always are the ones closest to know whats going on.

Check out Johnny Griffins analysis. He, a 6' 1" 185 lb. sparring partner at Smokin Joe's camp.
I'll post it later.

 

I dont know it all, far from it in fact, but what i do know is that if your using the likes of Coopers left hook as a gauge for him not being able to take a punch then your well off the mark. That was a fantastic punch as im sure you'll agree, but it dont mean he cant take a punch. He got up right away didnt he? Same as the Banks punch. Being dropped does not necessarily equate to poor punch resistance. I mean, take Frazier for example, nobody in their right mind would question Joes chin, yet Bonavena dropped him twice and Foreman dropped him ,what, 8 or 9 times (ironically mr featherfist KO'd both although joe would be the bigger puncher).

What im saying is that ANYONE can be caught, especially in the heavyweight division. Every heavywieght champ ever has been on the deck at some stage, but i wouldnt question the 'chin' of majority of them

 

Go right ahead, everyone has his own interpretation to this kind of terms.