Marciano Beats Ali?

See, I knew there was more sterling wit beneath than gruff exterior. And what an elegant riff on your excessive preoccupation with the male ejaculatory material.

It is not even up for question as to what period had the highest recruitment of athletes to the sport of boxing in the US, the most gyms, the most participation in amateur tournaments. It just so happens that Marciano reigned at the beginning of that period. Argue till you're blue in your face, it's a fact.

 

I would have thought it was more like the middle. About which years did this period encompass, you'd say?

 

Post war to 1965 or so. The reason I say beginning was that Marciano had to mow down some holdovers from the war years.

 

Ok. Sounds about right.

 

Marciano fought in the weakest of HW eras. Argue till you've swallowed all of the Marciano nut, it's a fact...

 

No.. Ali is too big too fast and too good for Rocky to win. Marciano could be outboxed by the likes of Jersey Joe Walcott and could he knock out Ali?? The answer is a definite no for me; the guy had one of the ATG chins.

 

Really weaker than the Jeffries/Hart/Burns era? Weaker than the late 1930's? Are all time greats Ezzard Charles, Jersey Joe Walcott, Archie Moore, big hitters like Rex Layne or boxers like La Starza weaker than Buddy Baer, Billy Conn, Abe Simon, Lou Nova? Really weaker than the coked-up, fat-ass 80's when Lucien Rodriquez, Scott Frank and Marvin Frazier were getting title shots? Really.

Back to writing copy for your gay porn fantasies.

 

And I agree Ali would win.

 

Charles and Moore aren't even heavweights and Walcott was an ole assed man. The fact that you have to pull them out of your ass to make a case for the HW division in Marciano's day speaks volumes...

 

Archie Moore & Ezzard Charles routinely weighed in the 190's during their heavyweight campaigns.

Bob Fitzsimmons, Jim Corbett, Tommy Burns, Jack Dempsey, Gene Tunney, Jim Braddock, Billy Conn, Jerry Quarry, Leon Spinks, Mike Spinks, Evander Holyfield, Roy Jones, Jr. ... these were all real heavyweights, I presume though each either would have been cruisers or light heavies by today's standards or actually were cruisers or light heavies. And these are just off the top of my head.

 

Ok. So did Roy Jones when he fought @ HW. That still doesn't make Roy a HW. He isn't.

Neither were Charles and Moore. As very good smaller fighters they just happened to take advantage of a weak HW era.

And despite ruling over a weak bunch of HWs, Marciano could only manage to defend his title 6 times.

Tyson's reign, in the 80's that you consider so pathetic, was more impressive...

 

Tyson cleaned up a weak era of fat-asses and drug addicts. I give him full credit for it. He was my childhood hero.

The bottomline is that heavyweights used to often be in the 190's or even 180's. Times have changed. This is one reason I don't choose Marciano to do well in the late 80's and beyond. Even though he may be able to pull off one or two great victories, the wear and tear of fighting giants will ultimately take its toll.

 

Marciano doesn't win the HW title at any time after 1960. I'd pick every linear HW Champion after 1960 to beat Marciano.

 

I'd pick a prime Marciano to beat Patterson and Johansson outright, a good chance against Liston (he would be far and away the best fighter Liston fought up until Ali), a lesser chance against Ali, even chance against Frazier, no chance against Foreman, an easy fight against Leon Spinks, a lesser chance against Holmes, a good chance against Michael Spinks, no chance against Tyson, a good chance against Douglas, lesser chance against the prime-roided Holyfield... after which it strains my brain to think more...

so, even thought I state that Marciano would suffer egregiously over a career as a modern heavy, on a one-off fight he would have a chance to do well against more than a few... Realize up to and including Holyfield, all these guys had their problems with under-sized heavies at times.

 

So you think Floyd Patterson beats Marciano?