Marciano Contemplated Coming Back For Sonny.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Rainer, May 13, 2019.



  1. Rainer

    Rainer Member Full Member

    272
    201
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    May 2, 2019
    It was meant to be a bit of interesting information from me but aside from it having doubted as genuine, it has taken on a life of its own.
     
  2. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,883
    871
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    May 18, 2006
    Anything involving Marciano always does on here lol.

    The only people as persistent and relentless as Rocky's detractors are his defenders. Both sides have limitless endurance, arguments and counter arguments and stubbornness.
     
  3. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,014
    2,202
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    Dec 10, 2014
    Smart move not to do it.

    He had been away a few years.

    Likely scenario: LKO 1
     
  4. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,014
    2,202
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    Dec 10, 2014
    Nice post. Highlighted part is key.
     
    choklab likes this.
  5. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Will research for food Full Member

    3,926
    3,255
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    Oct 28, 2017
    Quite fitting for a fighter known for being persistent, relentless and having limitless endurance.
     
  6. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

    22,237
    1,947
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    Dec 31, 2009
    I think picking chuvalo, Terrell and Foley over the championship version of Jersey Joe Walcott would be a minority opinion among boxing people.

    Layne did hustle a close decision win out of Walcott just before he beat Charles for the title, but film shows Walcott wasnt showing quite the form he displayed in the two wins over Charles or the war with Rocky. It seems the Layne result was a turning point for JJW. He decided he needed to be more aggressive if he were to get another chance at the title.
     
  7. Rainer

    Rainer Member Full Member

    272
    201
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    May 2, 2019
    Picking Layne over Walcott would be a minority opinion, point is it happened.No turning point ,Walcott was back to his old self in the 4th Charles fight.
     
  8. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

    22,237
    1,947
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    Dec 31, 2009
    Well it was Walcotts style to lure a guy onto a punch wasnt it? Seems to me he was luring Rocky onto his own right hand only Rocky beat him to it.

    It's a very famous sequence. Walcott was very good at disguising what hand he was going to use. Cleverly shifting weight from one foot to the other, by the 13th round Rocky had worked out which way he was going to spring forward and met him half way. You can clearly see walcotts right in motion.
     
  9. JackSilver

    JackSilver Active Member Full Member

    1,485
    1,234
    Sportsbook:
    4,947
    Jun 24, 2017
    Liston was so mean that even when he was smiling and laughing, he had a scowl on his face!
     
  10. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,747
    1,752
    Sportsbook:
    287
    Oct 4, 2016

    Styles make fights, and you are absolutely correct in your assessment , Sonny destroys Rocky Marciano in a fight that would look like Foreman Frazier, Sonny would drop a game Rocky several times before being rescued by the ref in the 4th round.
     
    Golden_Feather99 likes this.
  11. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    32,544
    6,448
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    Apr 27, 2005
    I have no idea about that other rot.
     
  12. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

    22,237
    1,947
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    Dec 31, 2009
    Well it was smashed.
     
  13. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

    22,237
    1,947
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    Dec 31, 2009
    That old nut meg...

    When was Sonny Foreman and when was Rocky Frazier?

    This "Foreman vs Frazier" comparison really never survives even rudimentary scrutiny on any level whatsoever.

    If it was so certain that one style always beats another style in exactly the same way wouldn't this mean the result would be the same in both fights? Same guys fought twice!

    Your going to say two different guys wind up with the same result on this rule?
     
  14. Golden_Feather99

    Golden_Feather99 Member Full Member

    125
    166
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    Apr 23, 2019
    Foreman-Frazier is different from Liston-Marciano but the idea is the same. Rocky Marciano was a swarmer and Liston was a slugger. It's obviously not that simple, as you stated. Marciano had short arms, there's no way he could box with Liston on the outside. He'd have to get close to have any success. Marciano has to get past Liston's jab and then try to outwork Liston on the inside. Liston loved it when his opponents came to him. Cleveland Williams had a lot of success for 2 rounds but he could never beat Liston because he brought the fight to Liston. He'd eventually get caught, as he did, twice. Liston was ~25 lbs heavier than Marciano. Liston was much stronger. Look at Liston-Patterson I, where Liston destroyed Patterson in the clinch. He literally grabbed Patterson's head with his right arm and hit him with vicious left hook that hurt Patterson. I think it's safe to say that Patterson was a more elusive target than Marciano. It took Liston one round to stop Patterson. Marciano definitely had a better chin but he can still be hurt. Marciano never faced a puncher like Liston. Liston would batter Marciano on the outside and he was the stronger fighter on the inside. Marciano was a great body-puncher and had an endless gas tank. If he can take everything Liston throws at him for 7/8 rounds, the tide will turn and Marciano will take over. Personally, I think Liston stops Marciano within the first 6 rounds. This matchup favours Liston imo.
     
    Glass City Cobra and Reinhardt like this.
  15. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

    22,237
    1,947
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    Dec 31, 2009
    This is not Rock paper Scissors. Boxing dosnt work like that. It's more complex.

    correct. When did he try to? Rocky had Charlie Goldman. His style was devised to overcome this business of distance. He crouded people.

    Listons jab was an attacking jab. A strong jab. It took him inside. Rocky was hard to hit with the jab. He wanted jabs to counter.

    he certainly did. A top level fighter being ko'd twice in consecutive fights by a single opponent is, as far as I can figure, unique in boxing history. My take is that such an dual outcome was dependent not only on what Liston brought to the table, but also what Patterson did not, whether because he was intimidated or for some other reason. Therefore I do not push Liston into the stratosphere on the basis of the Patterson fights but try to judge him the basis of his entire career, warts and all, and the Machen, Besmanoff, King, Whitehurst, etc fights were warts, as were some others.

    Not the nights he fought Liston. Against Sonny Fliyd froze both times.

    Sonny never fought a puncher like Rocky. Everyone hit Sonny. He was a sucker for a right hand. Rocky's best punch.
     

Share This Page