Marciano deserves a lot of respect

Actually Tua used to mimic (poorly) Marcianos lean style. They had plenty in common. I also never stated he would have better stamina I actually said who knows how he would
Do. But you can’t say he wasn’t naturally over 200 pounds because he was and you can’t say he didn’t train down which he did. And “if” he fought HW today he would be heavier. Just as Ali Louis and Foreman (who Actually did come in heavier), and anyone else who fought prior to the 80s. The only things we know for a fact are he went 11-0 with 11 KOs. What weight he would fight at today who knows? Hope all is well Mcvey and hope you checked out that Moore v Valdez

 

I was referring to general remarks.He was naturally over 200lbs,but thats walking around not training weight but never when at fighting weight.Marciano would be lhvy ,maybe cruiser ,he was too short of height and reach ,and too slow to be mixing it with todays super heavies.yes I watched Moore V Valdes many thanks! All well my end but in strict government lockdown until March 8th,stay safe!

 

40 pounds onto that tiny frame that was already wearing down under 185 pounds? That's exactly how it works.

 

No it really doesn't. Do you have any familiarity with sports performance at all? That sounds like something I'd hear someone from the 1930s say to be perfectly honest. Marciano's frame was certainly not tiny. Gross and dishonest exaggeration. A male at 5'10 can easily grow to well over 200 lbs with the right diet and training. Mark Rippetoe has been doing it at Witchita Falls Athletic Club for decades over and over. Tons of his athletes put on 40 lbs of bodyweight in a few months time while increasing their squat by 150-200 lbs in that same time frame. So have other starting strength coaches. An athlete like Marciano would be more than able to put on that sort of mass to his frame while increasing his squat, bench press, overhead press, and deadlift by astounding amounts.

Even if he took a conservative approach to weight gain and put on only 20 lbs or so of lean bodyweight (not going over 15% bodyfat) in 6 months or less he would still be very much stronger and better equipped to take on super heavyweights. And yes, most strength and conditioning coaches in boxing don't know **** about making their athletes bigger, stronger, and faster.

 

High School All-American. NCAA scholarship athlete.

 

No you're not but okay.

If you knew a shred about the subject then you would know that 185 lbs on a 5'10-5'11 frame is not the most a male can handle. Not in the slightest. Again, Starting Strength Coaches have been doing it for decades.

 

Don't worry, I wasn't looking for your approval.

I raced guys at Nationals like Eric Metcalfe, Quincy Watts, Al Joyner and Mike Bates. Didn't win but hung with them well enough for a skinny white boy from nowhere. I'm good, thanks.

Marciano had a bird's chest and sloped shoulders. He was an endurance athlete, a compiler. Sure, if you wanted to create a show pony, you could add pounds. But it would go against his assets and create sitting duck for more talented athletes who carried the weight naturally. It's about the best performance weight, not creating something that looks good (to other dudes) in the mirror.

I'm done here.

 

LOL@you.....

Marciano was not a athlete......he was a fighter with limited body resources, he best asset was his iron will, decent punch for his size and the discipline to train hard without falling off the wagon.

All the above worked against shopworn Old timers with a million mile on the clock or bum of the month fodder....

This aint Bodybuilding..........his main strength was his conditioning while wearing Old Timers out aka he was a small attrition puncher.....when their legs gave out he finally succeeded while hitting the deck in the process...............adding 40 POUNDS to his short frame would take his cardio away, full stop, and he would be a sitting Duck huffing and puffing, fact not fiction..........put 40 pounds on your back and step into the Ring and see yourself.

The modern Bodybuilder AJ put 20 POUNDS on a 6'6 frame and was huffing and puffing against a fat midget until he gassed out and quit.......lost 20 pounds and ran a winning marathon against said fat Midget in the re match..................let me spell it one more time......CARDIO.

Further absurd is the endless claim of "modern diet and training"...............lol, he already had the best diet because everything he ate was organic back then, ate the best steak man can by and spit it out to boil down.

So modern "Diet " comes to PED's you dumbo......and his small frame heart still has to supply oxygen to 220 pounds......

Marciano knew what was best for him aka he boiled down to his best fighting weight to wear Old Timers out.............if he would believe it could have been done while being bigger he would have............... he never did you arm chair pistolero..............so Marciano gave already EVERYBODY the answer in regards to "bulking" up.

The end.

 

Your obviously fake claims are pretty easy to disprove. Al Joyner and Quincy Watts are almost 11 years apart in age. Watts hadn't even started high school by the time Joyner was winning gold at the olympics. But we're supposed to believe you raced both at nationals. Yeah, sure buddy. You were a top American sprinter throughout the 70s and 80s. Even if by some near zero chance that what you said is true then it wouldn't make you an authority on sports performance in the slightest. Not as a sprinter of all things in the 70s/80s. Back then they didn't have the slightest clue what they were doing in high school weight rooms. Even today they really don't for the most part. I imagine you never even touched a barbell with the slightest clue as to what you were doing.

Good God dude you really are stuck in the 50s with your ideas on sports performance aren't you? You haven't the faintest idea that the value of proper strength training in an athletes regimen. It bleeds out because the first thing that comes to your mind is aesthetics and bodybuilding whenever someone mentions barbell movements. Did it maybe occur to you that Marciano's chest and shoulders weren't so pronounced because he didn't train them properly? As most fighters back then didn't. Adding muscular bodyweight and being stronger is more useful against superheavyweights. Strength training doesn't make athletes slow, sluggish, and with bad backs. It makes them better equipped to handle the rigors of their sport. It makes them capable of being physically better at their sport. Marciano wouldn't see any drawbacks to his performance being 20-30 lbs heavier at a similar bodyfat percentage, with a proper diet (not that one meal per day or standard american diet bs he followed), and being very significantly stronger.

I couldn't imagine you have anything of value to add to the conversation. Clearly your knowledge of sports performance is extremely limited and out of date at that to say the least. You're so far behind and you don't even know it. We've been doing things in the weight room for decades that you have yet to wrap your mind around. Things that are commonly accepted truths in strength training circles. Let this be your wake up call to stop acting so smug on this topic. Have some respect for once.

 

Every boxer is an athlete. Golfers are athletes, football players are athletes, powerlifters are athletes. You don't know what you're talking about.

Sounds like I'm talking to a real authority on the subject. Point me to where I brought up bodybuilding?

Or he could, and this is going to sound totally wild to you, keep doing cardio!

My bad, I thought AJ is a boxer. This entire post is laughable and its even funnier that you think you're actually making solid points. You want to know why AJ gassed? Because he doesn't train his cardio well enough!

The rest of your post is pure ignorance (as is all of it really). You should learn some respect.

 

https://startingstrength.com/
https://www.barbellmedicine.com/
https://www.andybaker.com/

Here's some good starting points for anyone interested in getting bigger and/or stronger. Science and data based training rather than whatever hoopla has been floating around this forum. Read through the literature and it wouldn't be hard to believe at all that the usual suspects could easily bulk up to the 200s to take on super heavys without sacrificing conditioning, speed, etc in a major way as to put them at a disadvantage.

 

So name me ONE "usual" suspect 5'9 slow wide swinging Light heavy NOW who easily bulks up to 220 beating todays Heavies......your ignorance is mind boggling, you never ever laced them up or even know how to wrap hands.......

Tyson/Frazier were in ripped shape @210-220 because they had the frame and genetics for it..................they could not fight ever @185..........marciano was a fat pig when he retired @220-230.

There is a reason why there are NO Heavyweights since Marciano coming in as light as he is.........because small frames like him cannot carry the weight while being effective...........one more time, he fought at the best weight he thought is required to win.

You have NO clue about Boxing, you aint winning a belt hanging around the weight room......

 

I can't even begin to imagine what it's like being as dim witted as yourself on a daily basis. You're a slew of incorrect information and ad hominem attacks. Good luck, you'll need it.

 

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