Marciano fast footwork, closing the distance, and using angles against Lastarza

But wait, I thought Lewis is supposed to land one jab and kill these guys.

What does Rocky having a close call in one fight have to do with that?

 

Interesting.
I know it's getting ahead of yourself, but have you ever thought about how your size would translate in he pros?

 

Mike tyson had a hard time with Quick Tillis, desnt necessarily mean that much. I dont see how the writer can claim Lowry was robbed if Marciano landed 3 punches to 1 from the 5th round on.

 

Have to disagree with you here. It's plenty hard to be good at boxing, even on the amateur level. This is of course compounded by his late entry into the sport and the fact that, judging from the footage, he doesn't appear to be exceptionally quick, strong, agile, athletic, or coordinated. Being a hard puncher only gets you so far, even if everything he tells us about his power is correct. I wish him luck and good health if he decides to pursue the sport more seriously though.

 

I got the impression that he thought it was a robbery because Lowry hurt him several times and clearly landed the sharper, more meaningful punches.

 

I think that the (relatively) difficult time that Tyson had with Tillis is actually consistent with some of Tyson's limitations, so I wouldn't say that it doesn't mean much. But I hear you. It means even less though--far less--that Lewis didn't inflict more visible damage on the opponents that Reznick alluded to in his earlier post.

 

I agree-- Lowry was a very ordinary fighter who'd lost 18 of his last 23 fights but still a big step up for a green Marciano (even if it was almost halfway through Marciano's career). It sounds like Rocky was very lucky (or something else) to escape with his undefeated record in tact.

 

I hover in the high 230s now at only 6 foot tall but i dont do alot of cardio just lift weights for fun. I tried Powerlifting in High school and I actually equalled the Maryland State USAPA Powerlifting Squat record for the 181 pound 15-16 yr old class and missed but missed the bench record by like 10 pounds which was like 240 with a 3 second pause on the chest. So I was always a physically strong guy. My style when i still boxed was just to back the other guy with a HEAVY jab and then try to explode to the body and head, my favorite boxer then was mike tyson but I didnt have great footspeed or defense/reflexes so it ended up more like a marciano or shot/old mike tyson type style and i took alot of punches because of my temper/ego back then i insisted on trying to walk through any and everyone i sparred with.
But really I dont want to be a pro boxer, i would much rather be a trainer. I studied Psychology in College and took several courses in and related to sports psychology and excercise science.

 

Knowing boxing history has helped in many ways. Well said.

My coach said I will be his big surprise at the next golden gloves. And he takes like 15-20 fighters a year here, more than half of them win. He wants to call me KO King, and I haven't even knocked anyone out yet lol.
I'm fully aware of the possibility that none of this potential translates in real competition, so I'm not getting ahead of myself. I haven't had a fight yet, and although I suspect I'll do good, I don't want to get ahead of where I am. Also I disappeared from the gym for a few months a while back, which I know disappointed him. So I haven't been the greatest pupil....long ways to go boys, long ways to go.

 

Good luck.

 

All I'm saying is look at the handful of 211 and under guys that Lewis fought. We can't compare results against SHWs, but we CAN compare against smaller opponents.

Watch the fights.
And ask yourself if he's doing to them, what Rocky would do to his average opponent.

Because the answer you'll most likely land at is that he isn't. And then you have to ask yourself why a 5"10 185lb fighter is doing equal or greater damage to common opponents as modern SHW evolutionary freak legends.

 

You're arguing against a strawman position here. But since for some reason you want to talk about how Lewis fared against the 5 men under 210 pounds who he faced relatively early in his career, he absolutely dominated all of them. Not sure that he lost a single round in any of those fights or was ever caught with anything significant. Not sure how any of this reveals anything, or shows any equivalence between him and Marciano.

 

Hahah dude I know that feeling. I tried doing the same in my first sparring session, walking forward feeling like Superman then getting popped by some dude with vast experience. But you have to get through that first step to learn, right? Even Foreman got beat up his first time. And it's like Fitzsimmons said more than 100 years ago, its paramount that you're relaxed in the ring. It takes experience to get to that point where you're calm and things are flowing. I'm still getting there.

But yeah I see you got that heavy jab coming in mixed with those nice combos. All you needs a good 1-2, right?

 

I'm not saying he didn't dominate them. He's one of the greatest of all time, of course he owned them.

What I'm asking is you, or whomever, to consider the fact that Marciano punched and fought way above his weight. Consider that on his average night, he was doing worse damage to those kinds of opponents that Lewis dominated.

Every 100 years, there will be a handful of truly special guys. And one of them is Rocky. Not that hard to believe there will be some freak anomies in that amount of time.