Marciano fast footwork, closing the distance, and using angles against Lastarza

Again, would like to see you on the bag. Because I think you underrate how difficult it is to work with an aqua bag like that. Most people like Garcia stand toe to toe with the bag because it's harder to use when in motion. Unless you're King Kong Luis Ortiz and can handle it like nothing lol.

I'm definitely not the natural athlete, and I definitely need to get better at all those things. I'm a skinny twig and yet somehow I hit like a mule. Oh and I don't know about strength, but I can handle people easily in the clinch. Not sure if that's from strength, or from having a power oriented technique.

 

177lbs Lowry had lost his last 7 fights.
"It was Lowry, not Marciano, who was on the verge of scoring an early knockout, stinging Marciano with two terrific rights in the first round and then rocking him with two mighty uppercuts in the second. By the fourth, a staggered Marciano seemed just one punch away from being knocked out. But then, inexplicably, Lowry stopped fighting and retreated into a shell despite warnings from the referee to open up and a cascade of boos from the crowd. To many, it appeared that Lowry was deliberately carrying Marciano. Was foul play afoot? Was Lowry getting paid to lose? Or was he merely tiring? Whatever the reason, a revived Marciano managed to rally in the late rounds even though many of his punches missed their mark or lacked force. On the basis of his aggressiveness and constant punching, Marciano won a unanimous decision from the judges. Most observers felt, however, that Lowry should have won."

Lowry, who earned $2,500 for the fight, denied he threw the fight. "I beat Rocky that night and that’s it," he said. "He changed his strategy in the fifth round and made a fight of it, but I won two of the last six rounds after winning the first four. It was a hometown decision

 

That's possible but I'm not sure I see how this is relevant to my prior post. Maybe you and I disagree about the relative value of being able to hit various heavy bags with decent power?

What kind of power-oriented technique do you use in the clinch?

 

You tell me. I never said he was a can. He obviously wasn't a complete slouch. Don't know what went down in the Moore fight but I do know that Savold and (especially) Oma lost or drew with their fair share of mediocre opponents.

 

Not a clinch technique. My boxing style is power focused, so I think that translates to better leverage in the clinch, I don't know. But I've handled some bigger guys in the clinch. One dude cheap shotted me and I swung him around.

 

@reznick did you see these?

 

Yes, thank you for compiling examples.

This is textbook boxing 101.
They are teaching beginners how to throw an uppercut.
They aren't refining a world champion, maximizing his power.

They don't know who is watching their videos.
They are teaching it the right way for beginners.

What Marciano and Muhammad did is not basic boxing.
Their uppercuts are special moves performed by stylistically nuanced top level boxers.

Unless of course you are to believe that these guys have superior knowledge about throwing an uppercut to Rocky Marciano and Mathew Saad Muhammad, and anyone else who has landed an uppercut like that? If that's your stance, I disagree with you completely.

 

Absolutely. I think I mentioned all that earlier in the thread. I mean, when you have a guy out on his feet and completely harmless, damn near anything goes.

 

@mrkoolkevin

Here is Tyson using the "bowling ball mortal combat" uppercut as the first guys described it:
https://streamable.com/uqx4v

Again, performed by a stylistically nuanced elite power puncher.
Obviously not a beginner move.
This is also uncoincidentally one of Tysons most popular uppercut highlights.
And Marcianos was a lot nicer, with crazier trajectory, but didn't land flush thankfully.

 

You seem to have forgotten what we were arguing about. One person described the textbook form for throwing uppercuts and you expressed disdain and incorrectly called it an arm punch. I explained that any decent trainer would make sure that fighters understood the downside of throwing those starting-from-below-the-knees uppercuts very early in a fighter's training, and you seemed incredulous. Of course these are videos for beginners--that's exactly the point. This is basic stuff that you should have learned already.

You seem fascinated by the optics of these huge uppercuts, and you don't seem to fully appreciate the technique and principles involved in throwing proper uppercuts. As with any other punch, if you pick your spot (i.e. when your opponent is hurt or distracted) you can get away with loading up and throwing wide, telegraphed punches that would otherwise not be considered prudent or fundamentally sound. It's not some advanced, specialized technique that only a few men can do. It's the same reason why even the wildest, widest haymaker can be incredibly effective in street fights when the other person doesn't see it coming.

I don't know how to quantify what any of these men know about throwing uppercuts, or how they've gone about studying uppercuts. Your analysis seems to be almost completely results-oriented (and circular): if the punch had the desired effect when the person threw it, then it must be good form. I strongly disagree with that kind of reasoning.

 

Now watch how Kevin Rooney actually trained Tyson to throw his uppercuts:

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