Marciano fast footwork, closing the distance, and using angles against Lastarza

Who cares if Marciano had perfect "form" when he thrown a punch. If it landed, it could hurt you, and if he hurt you, he had a shot to knock you out. And if he put you down, You be staring up in the air at the ref during the ten count.

His style was more about "power" than form. In the end it work for him.

 

Not trying to convince any one here. One does not look at Marciano fighting to see form or the perfect way to thrown a punch outside of Walcott 1 or even the Layne fight. I pretty sure the combos Marciano use to finish off Lastarza, and knock him out of the ring, he miss some punches. But the punches that did land hurt Roland, It was not about accurate with Marciano, he may miss 2 or 3, or even 5 or 6. But the ones that get in will do the damage. Look at Moore on the ropes, Marciano must of miss about half his punching's with Moore weaving ducking and rolling on the ropes. But Marciano still landed the shots that counted, and they still hurt Moore. In fact, the last punch Marciano thrown for money was a miss shot as Moore was sliding down for the count. Marciano miss a wild shot. But the lefts and rights that landed put Moore down.

 

Very good, Rez. Well formed argument to which there's no comeback.

I don't care what you say.

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Here is Frazier throwing the same uppercut on Machen that people here criticized Marciano as having bad technique for throwing.

https://streamable.com/fvwl7

He brings his arm down to his knees, and shoots it up like a video game uppercut.
Just like Marcianos

https://streamable.com/vkx4o

Except Marcianos is way stronger, way more explosive and scarier, and better.

 

Judging form is for gymnastics and figure skating.

In boxing, we judge results.

 

I would say so.
But a lot of people don't. The "technique snobs".

 

I'm not sure you can say Rocky's is "better" when it doesn't land.

Frazier invests less in his shot than Marciano. They are also coming from opposite wings. Even given Frazier's stronger punch is his left it stills makes for a sizable comparison difference.

I can't believe there were so many pages and hubbard. Rocky's right hand puts his opponent at his mercy and he really loads up on that uppercut, fully investing in it. It's intent is to end the fight. Tho the followthrough is huge he manages to quickly follow up with a hook which would serves both an offensive and defensive purpose. Loading right up on that uppercut under the conditions is understandable and not to his detriment. He could have tried any number of things but simply went for the big uppercut and he was only a whisker off.

 

That looks like the same uppercut to you? There are a ton of significant differences, most of which favor Frazier's punch. Although you've included a string of superfluous adjectives, it seems clear that you really just admire Marciano's punch because it was thrown with a lot of power. That's fine, but to say that it has the "perfect trajectory" or is a "better punch" than other, less powerful uppercuts is simply off the mark (just like Marciano's uppercut).

 

Unless we're talking about boxers you think are overrated, right?

 

Rockys arms in that clip sort of look like they double in size when throwing his haymaker punches.

Nobody had that kind of leverage and force.

 

Such as who? And who is doing the rating?

 

Well I've seen you chastise Willard to bits for your interpretation of his abilities, despite him being a lineal HW champ.

 

"Lineal" means sh*t to me when you have extended eras of the Color Line and mob control...

Willard beat who was put in front of him by the rules agreed upon in 1915. He was fit and trained for that fight. His comeback in the latter rounds was particularly inspired. He deserves a great amount of credit for his performance. And any talk of a dive on Johnson's part is rubbish.

1919 Willard was four years older, rusty, over-confident, under-trained and generally not prepared for the devil he was about to face.

Is that unfair?

 

Rockys punch grazed LaStarza. It doesn't land as well as Frazier, but the actual punch thrown was more impressive. His back foot and front foot have some distance between them, giving his lunch more momentum. He twists his hips properly to get the right angle, and his rediculous shoulder snap turns his arm into a large club. Pause the clip as soon as Rocky finishes the motion of the punch. It really captures it all.

What a puncher...

 

That's not unfair.
But that's not what you've said in the past when you made fun of him for not knowing how to box.