Marciano Harder Hitter than Lennox Lewis

There is a universe of diference between a flash knockdown and a KO.

Anybody can get dumped on their but by a puncher like Walcott or Moore unless we are talking Chuvalo or McCall teritiory.

 

Flash KDs is an exageration.

Lewis hits leagues harder than Walcott or Moore. What was Walcotts stoppage percentage 50% or something? And Moore was a LHW

 

I think there are different aspects of a physical prime. Holyfield probably had lost 10% of fitness against Tyson. But he still set a ferocious pace that night and a very fast pace against Lewis. He had probably lost 10% of speed or so but was still pretty fast.

Holyfield had added around 10lbs of solid muscle since 1991. That will have upped his power, chin and strength significantly

Lewis in terms of speed and stamina was past his physcial prime himself at the age of 33.

 

Foreman got beat up by Schulz!!!! In his prime he went life and death with Lyle. Bruno had a better chance against Tyson than a 1994/6 Foreman.

 

This forum is getting more a joke and more, now even an unproven fighter like Ibeabuchi (who went life and death with the limited Tua) would be the top favourite in the 50s era. atsch

 

Since when gets a fighter judged by his KO-%? Ike Williams than would be a mediocre puncher, but in reality he´s one of the hardest LW- punchers ever...

 

Resume wise its close, ability wise it isnt. Vitali Klitchko has worse names than John Ruiz on his resume but we all know Vitali is the tougher challenge

Lets not forget a 1997 Foreman scraped a UD against Saverese and a 2000 Tyson destroyed the same fighter in Round 1

Bruno, Golotta, Botha, Etiene (beat Brewster) are better as a group than individual wins like Mercer/Moorer

 

I dont but allot of Marciano appologists are facinated by Marcianos KO percentage so I brought up Walcott.

I think Walcott had good power but it wasn't in Lennoxs league for example

 

Haven't you heard? A big awkward fighter will knock out any all-time great. All it takes is an extra 20-30 lbs.

 

Walcott had a great one-punch, he scored some nice one-punch- KO´s, equal to Lewis, both didn´t throw many shots to KO someone. But Walcott´s record is misunderstanding, he was a tricky and fine boxer, but he punched hard. Many opponents of him said he was the hardest puncher they faced.

 

I'm not talking down to Marciano - Tua and Ibeabuchi were that good. Ibeaubuchi beat Tua (27-0) in his 17th fight.

Tua was only as limited as Marciano. Marciano was a bit more skilled but not by much. Tua was 1 of the hardest hitters in history and destroyed champions like Maskeev, Rahman, Ruiz, Moorer and good contenders like Oquendo, Nicholson, Izon, Wilson.

Ibeaubchi went toe-toe with Tua in war setting punch stat HW records. In doing this he proved his chin, his stamina, his workrate, his strength and his power

Ibeabuchi was 240lbs of ripped muscle, ATG great chin, ATG strength, ATG workrate, great arsenal of punches, good jab, very good speed, and excellent power

He KO'd Byrd like no one else has.

 

How can you say he had an ATG-chin, ATG- workrate, etc.? The only good fighters he faced were Byrd and Tua. Byrd fought a stupid fight and got KO´d, that was a good performance by Ike, no doubt. But against Tua, I had David winning by 2 points. Tua was robbed IMO, and when I read your text, I clearly see how biased you really are. Tua was one of the hardest punchers ever? When he stepped up in competition, he wasn´t the KO-artist he was against bums (Rahman, Lewis, etc.)...

 

Oh I'm well aware of the fact that Foreman struggled with schultz and I'll also ad that his comeback was nearly ended against Alex Stewart who Tyson killed in a single round. Everything you said is absolutely true powerpuncher. However, I'm talking about styles. Tyson's crouching stance and tendency to come forward with his center of gravity lowered could have played right into the hands of Foreman. Not to mention, George's cross armed defense and long reach, along with his chin and power could have certainly been a threat to a mid 90's Tyson who's shrowd of invincibility had long worn off.

I'm not saying that Foreman would definately win. In fact, he'd be a big underdog in that fight and rightfully so. We can't ignore the possibility however, that he had the right blue prints to take advantage of a coming back Tyson.

 

ATG chin - took the bombs of 1 of the hardest hitters of ALL TIME to the chin all night.

Tuas ATG power - KO'd Rahman (10), Maskeev (in 1), Moorer (in 1), Ruiz (in 1) - top punchers like Foreman, Holyfield, Rahman, Vitali, Wlad, Valuev, Chagaev could not replicate the KOs Tua scored on similar opponents

Tuas ATG Power - KO'd better contenders than Ernie Shavers

Ibeabuchis ATG workrate - threw more powerpunches per round for 12 rounds than nearly any HW in history

Tua being robber - close fight could have gone either way - 7-5 to Tua isnt a robbery if it goes the other way its a close fight

Happy?

 

You know that in the 1st Rahman-fight, Tua hit him after the bell in round 8, that was the point where the fight changed. Moorer was a shadow of his sooner performances, even a biased person like you should confess that. And Ruiz wasn´t peak in this fight, if they would have fought some years later, Ruiz would have clinched himself to a wide UD... you´re using examples, that would be the same like saying Tyson couldn´t KO Danny W., but Harrison, the fearless warrior with an iron chin did it easily in 3...