Marciano Harder Hitter than Lennox Lewis

They actually sound like good James Bond nemesis names. What ever happened to Dr Dyslexic anyway?

 

That would be me dr dyslexic, i have keyboard dsylexia.

 

1. Fair Enough but Old Fogey can get the urine samples

2. Technically Walcott beat him down twice :yep Lets also not forget the impact of Louis initially retiring - why did he retire - he didnt want to fight anymore. Louis was there for the money sadly and when your there firstly for the money a disaster is waiting to happen.

3. Holyfield was 40 in 2002 when he faced Byrd and had seriously deteriated from the fighter he was 4 years ago. A 36yo Holy would have a few problems with Byrd before closing him down and roughing him up.

4. Actually Holyfield not only had the better chin he had the better workrate and stamina (nutrtion/steroids etc). I think Louis main weapons to offset stoppahes from his averagish chin were his reactions in his prime, using his feet, timing of counters and getting his fast hands off before his opponent. He lost all this after he came out of retirement.

5. Won't Holyfield have smaller gloves too? Holys too durable to stop before he reaches 40+ - the third Bowe fight doesnt count (hepitis)

 

Ruiz has no way to win, whatsoever. But he may anyway. :hey

 

That's between you and him. Count me out. :scaredas:

Walcott beat him down once (which may or may not have been a robbery). The second time, Walcott was doing his waltz in dreamland.

I know that Holyfield was shot vs. Byrd. My point was that the fight would look similar, not that Byrd beating Holyfield proves that Charles could.

But we've already agreed that steroids will not be allowed in this match. And surely Louis's workrate was good enough for the technical fight he was performing against Marciano.

Then how did he keep winning against top contenders?

I would argue that Louis's overall level of skill--and especially his canniness in counterpunching--was still there, and still better than Holyfield's arsenal. He was just lacking the reflexes and power to turn himself into the invincible combination puncher of old.

Yes, Holyfield would have smaller gloves as well. But Marciano's chin is proven against fighters of Holyfield's size and power using smaller gloves. :hey

 

Dr. Dyslexic started his own boxing forum about 6 months ago. I Initially, I joined his board and for a brief period we had threads and posts between just the two of us, but no other participants. His board is still active, but I don't think anyones posted there in months. I really wish he'd come back to ESB. There were times that he proved to be a pain in the ass but he was actually a pretty good guy and a decent poster ( except for his spelling of course). He told me that he left because he was tired of the ignorance and the trolls on ESB. He also pointed out that there were way too many troublemakers posting under different alias's. Personally, I think he had a very good point regarding some of those things, but I don't necessarily think that he had to leave because of it either.

 

The guy was a bit of nut, when someone critisized Klitchkos opposition or ability he'd literally hate them. After a discussion on 1 thread he posted up a list of my posts from the Lounge about political issues and jokes taken out of context asking if people in the Classic Forum thought of me. It was freaky.

He maybe ok underneath but hes a prime example of why we shouldnt get too obssessed with the sport. People really start hating each other over disagreements on their faveourate fighters

 

Don't DARE make fun of Marciano, you *******! I'll sic Bergeron on you, so help me!

 

Marciano's top opponnents did not have a reputation for great durability so Marciano had less opportunity than some other fighters to prove his power. Walcott had been ko'd by a past it Louis, Abe Simon and Tiger Jack Fox while Charles had been kayoed twice prior to fighting Marciano.

 

Charles was only counted out ONCE, though, by Walcott, He was stop in the other fight.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=917XMjtO9_s


All I would have to do to get this guy to punch, punch rather well I might add, is to have him keep his balance and not bring his right leg forward and avoid the arcing motion while replacing it with a straight arm extension. Aside from that he is generating power starting from his stance continuing through his legs, glutes, back, shoulders and arms. In short throwing with leverage is just a variation of hitting with leverage. I guess that's why it's called throwing a punch.

I think Davyrrl Williamson said playing high school quarterback and throwing the pigskin helped developed his overhand right.

 

I like your sense of humour, CT.

 

Marciano did very well in his own era but given all the advancements in sports in certainly seems plausible that later fighters who were less accomplished than him were superior on a head to head basis. Athletes today outperform all their predecessors.

 

Holyfield had proven his chin by taking shots from Tyson. Louis's chin was not proven against such a massive puncher.