Marciano Harder Hitter than Lennox Lewis

They might be but that doesn't make them any easier to knock out, that the whole point, i have not said anywhere they are better, but a hard punching big fighter pretty much 100% hits harder than a hard punching small fighter that is 100% fact. Try to read what i write not just make up stuff that suits what you think.
I obviously know that bigger is not always better look at people like julius long the 7'2 boxer who gets koed by all sorts of people.

 

In general you´re right, bigger and heavier people hit harder than smaller and thinner humans. But we´re talking about real elite fighter, and a ATG like Walcott for example, who hit unpredictable, fast and hard, is surely a better puncher than Ruddock, who only KO´d bums and shot fighters...

 

I think it also needs to be taken into account at what stage of eachs career these bouts took place.

Bar Holy and Mavrovic they were relatively early in Lewis career, and some were scheduled 6 or 8 rounders I would think. Sometimes a guy may hang in for a few rounds where as psycologically knowing they have 10 or so rounds to go they may look for a way out. The Rocks were throughout his career and some much later on.

 

Yes but we are talking about how easy they are to ko not how well they punch mate. Mike tyson couldn't put ruddock away as quickly as lewis and he wasn't exctly a slow light puncher was he?

 

Punching is simple science

Power = Muscle/Bones Weight*Leaverage*Acceleration*Strength

Weight - mass behind the punch

Leverage of Weight - is the amount of body power you can generate aswell as body size.

Acceleration - punch speed

The answers pretty obvious - Lennox Lewis because Marciano doesn't beat him on any category

 

But not 60's or 70's style amatuer boxing. It is a totally different game. I would expect more from you than to use that as an indicator. I know you are a much smarter poster than that.

 

You math would be too simply, power= mass * speed, otherwise fighters like Dokes would have been terrific punchers... a real puncher is born, that´s the truth, you overrate the weight thing...

 

Charley Goldman actually got Marciano to consistently punch with power coming up. Sure, I think he probably did have superior power to Lewis straight up, but of course it would be problematic for somebody with his short reach to get to taller and more skilled opponents. Nonetheless, he always won, and nearly killed Carmine Vingo, in addition to breaking blood vessels in LaStarza's arms. He didn't have advantages in height, reach, foot speed or accuracy, but then again, plenty of the damaging punches he delivered didn't have to be scoring blows to be effective, as LaStarza so painfully discovered.

As Archimedes famously declared, "Give me a lever, and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world."

 

For the comparison to be fair shouldn't it be each fighter's heaviest opponents compared to each other or each fighter's lightest opponents compared to each other? I don't get the point of comparing Lewis' smallest opponents to Marciano's largest.

BTW, I think it is probably that Lewis hit much harder than Marciano. Skills being equal physics dictates greater mass will generate more power especially at the end of Lewis' long arms. That's one reason the neanderthals couldn't compete with us modern long armed people despite the neanderthals bulky strength advantage.

 

Well Marciano was consider small in his OWN era. No one though he would go as far as he did with his reach and size.

 

Amatuer boxings scoring system does not equate to producing good pro fighters in my opinion. It does not encourage bodywork or unorthodox punching.

Amatuer pedigree does not carry across to pro ranks like it did in the 60's and 70's because guys are not well rounded fighters anymore due to the scoring nowdays in the Ams.
This is the reason that so many hyped am prospects get found out when they face good seasoned pros