Marciano Harder Hitter than Lennox Lewis

Charlie 'lets see how much roids we can stick in Ben Johnsons butt' Francis? Maybe he was saying that to make it seem like Ben wasn't roiding

 

I'm not saying with modern training Jesse Owens couldn't be world class. In his 1936 state he wouldn't break 10seconds. With modern training, modern tracks, modern shoes and blocks he probably would.

Would he get to the level of Asafa Powell - I doubt it but low 9.9s yes - but not without modern training.

 

I have just about had enough of all this, but will present one final bit of data from the animal, rather than human, world. It is for the special benefit of Hotti Killer and Power Puncher, who are obsessed with the bigger is better argument.

Fastest land mammal sprinter: the cheetah - 110 km per hour, mass 40-65 kg, length of body 1.15-1.35 metres. Verdict, it is small, lean and light.

I challenge you to work out why the equally lean and muscular, but BIGGER, lions and tigers cannot sprint as fast as the cheetah?

I look forward to your answers with great interest.

PS Calling me a ****** does not help your argument.

 

For the record, I am aware Johnson is a convicted drug cheat. But I included the data because most of us recognise that performance enhancing drugs are rife in elite sprinting. They are not specific to Johnson and Charlie Francis.

The US has covered up positive drug tests for 2 decades. The US is the only country in the world that believes it should run its own drug testing, rather than that of the IAAF.

Of the top US 100m sprinters over the last decade, Maurice Greene is just about the only one that has not tested positive. But what does this mean?

Marion Jones never tested positive either, but she married two men who were convicted drug cheats, and was coached by a man who juiced up all his athletes. It is very easy to be cynical about all this.

Johnsons 9.79 performance over 100m remains a stand-out even with drugs. And he was short, not tall.:deal

 

I think quite the opposite Rocky is well respected Today he'd be reigning unbeate Lt Heavyweight champ he'd not be big enough for todays monster heavys:bbb :bbb :bbb :hi: :hi: :hi:

 

Marciano cant go down to 170 pounds with out starving himself. He barley made the 185 pound mark. He train DOWN to that weight. Todays guys seem to train UP to the weight.

 

I guess you haven't noticed- "Mendoza" is Dr. Z. If you just look through a few of his posts(the writing style, word usage, types of arguments, and opinions expressed), it's exceedingly obvious. And I don't think it's an alias meant to fool people, for the note- I think he just decided to type in a new screenname.

 

All I know is that as a Canadian who watched Ben Johnson live it was the most spectacular turn of events one could ever imagine. He went from a Canadian hero to a Jamacian fraud in about the same amount of time it took him to run that race..

 

Firstly your choosing a drugs cheat, talk about a biased argument Ben Johnson who used drugs to become brutally muscular and explosive. BEN JOHNSON HAD UNNATURAL MASSIVE MUSCULARITY. Maurice Greene was also brutally strong and had HUGE MUSCULARITY. See the patern the slgihtly smaller sprinters need to compensate with more explosive power.

SECONDLY at Ben Johnson 6'0 was 2 inches taller than than Jesse Owens despite you claiming hes short

As for drugs cheats - its hard not to get caught these days with random anytime testing. It was easier in Ben Johnsons day. The Balco drugs were none-detectable but we know everyone who was a Balco client anyway. AND EVERY COUNTRY RUNS ITS OWN DRUG TESTING BECAUSE THE IAAF DOESNT HAVE THE FUNDS. Its easier to cheat in less stringent countries.

Thirdly Donovan Bailey, Burrell, Carl Lewis, Asafa Powell, Frankie Fredderick, Tyson Gay, Surin etc etc have all never tested positive and Linford Christie did test positive but it looked like a false positive due to the fact he was retired and taking supplements made in the same labs as 19nor/andros could trigger a false positive test.

Just look at Marion Jones shes been caught and both of her exs have been caught. That shows people are getting caught not that they're getting away with it.

 

Yet again you don't compare like with like. Heres a deal:

We both take 2 Cheetahs - both identicle twins.

Your cheetah can run round the

My Cheetah can do systematic runs over longer and shorter distances and drag cars/weights - gradually bigger cars until it gets stronger and stronger. (this is all possible you just use meat/animals as an incentive)

My Cheetah would whoop your Cheetahs ass

 

You get full marks for imagination.

But on a serious note cheetahs have evolved to be the supreme sprinter of the animal world, and evolution has driven them to be 40-65kg, not 300kg.

 

Fair enough. Of course it's not impossible for a lightheavyweight to be competitive or more than that. And Jones wasn't just any lightheavy, he may well have been the fastest boxer of the entire history of boxing, p4p. Only Ali and Pep come close, maybe i'm forgetting a few. It was one fight.

 

Dont really know about olympic runners much, would find it easier if comparisons were used with NFL cornerbacks. :huh