Marciano Harder Hitter than Lennox Lewis

You can't read can you seamus, if somebody had the same tchnique as green but was half a foot taller they would be faster as they have longer legs that is a fact.

 

This is hard to say with certainty. I use to be a very fast runner, and I'm rather short 5'7". But what made me naturally fast was I have a lot of fast twitch muscles, I have big legs. If I were taller I might have less of this muscle group and it may make me slower. Ever notice that most of the long distance runners have skinny legs, relative to sprinters?

 

That is my point though thats why he can't read, if somebody had equal muscle for the size and technique they would be faster if they where taller. This doesn't happen because in general people are not built like this, but if you had the equivalent muscle etc and where 6'3 whould you not be faster?

 

Maybe you should consider that longer limbs and i.e. longer muscles do not contract with the same explosion as shorter muscles. Also, maybe should consider that any athletic endeavor whether it be sprinting or throwing a punch can not be isolated to one muscle group or limb, that the torso, shoulders, arms and even neck muscles come into play as a whole. What you are purporting is patently false, as the exception rather than the norm in sprinting is taller athletes. I have listed numerous world champions and world record holders to support this and all you have to offer is a schoolyard retort. I spent a good decade at a national level of athletics competition, trained with one of the best sprint/jumping coaches in the US at the time. I know what I'm talking about in this matter.

 

You still can't read can you, i am not talking about what does happen we are talking in theory, just as you can't say about marciano as he is dead and has never had anything tested etc. If you stretched green to 6'3 but his muscle and technique where expanded in proportion to his height would he or would he not be faster????????????

 

Again learn how to read you are posting about something that i have not said, this is theory not fact, i have already said it doesn't work in practise as nobody is built like this. However if you get a guy such as green and stretch him to 6'3 and proportion his muscle etc equally and give him the same technique the 6'3 guy will be faster.

 

The stride would be the same as they have the same technique, i agree that in reality this doesn't happen but in theory what i am saying is correct.

 

"Originally Posted by PowerPuncher
Punching is simple science

Power = Muscle/Bones Weight*Leaverage*Acceleration*Strength

Weight - mass behind the punch

Leverage of Weight - is the amount of body power you can generate aswell as body size.

Acceleration - punch speed

The answers pretty obvious - Lennox Lewis because Marciano doesn't beat him on any category
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I hope you just mean this as a qualitative sort of explaination and not as an actual physics/dynamics equation.

I agree Lewis hit harder than Marciano, no doubt. Marciano may have on average thrown harder shots each punch than Lewis who would use a lot of jabs. But if Lewis is loading up and throwing with KO intent, theres no way Marciano's KO punch is harder.

Im just pointint out that those arent accurate physics equations.

 

No I know they aren't the physics equation its more to qualify how the power (speed/mass transition) is generated

If you just say - speed*mass = power - everyone here will say - what about strength, leverage, etc etc - which is true because to get maximal mass behind a punch you need maximal leverage. And then you need to generate the maximal force too

 

No. You are still wrong. Strength and explosion are not neccasarily proportionate to muscle mass or length, thus if you "stretched" Mo Greene he most likely would not retain the elasticity of his muscle or the potential power. The parts of the body (muscles, bone, ligament, tendon) each have their own envelopes (of length and mass) wherein they work most efficiently. To go over those limits inhibits explosion and strength.

 

He would retain the elasticity because we are talking in theory, so therefore if his muscle mass and elasticity where expanded in equivalence with his height he would be the same but have a longer stride, i am not saying that if your taller or bigger you are faster i am aying that if somebody is identical to greene and then expanded to 6'3 he will be faster as he has longer limbs and will take less strides. , you really need to read what i write before you comment.

 

I don't know if I have ever been so frustrated reading someones posts.:fire

For the last time, the 7 foot guy with the same talent, and same proportions, would NOT be faster than the 6 foot guy.

Reason: Muscle force scales with the square of the linear dimension, while muscle mass scales with the cube of the linear dimension.

This means that the 7 foot guy would have legs that are absolutely stronger (because the muscle cross section is wider) but his strength/weight ratio would actually be WORSE!!!

I am sorry this dashes your world view, but the beauty of these forums is that they are an opportunity to LEARN something every now and then.

 

There are advancements in equipment but one gets the sense that the athletes themselves may be superior. Advancements in training and nutrition as well as use of performance enhancing drugs might give more recent athletes an advantage.