Marciano Harder Hitter than Lennox Lewis

Yes. But the bigger question is to what degree each represents the absolute peak of his weight class, and to what degree the weight classes differ.

 

Danny williams is a big guy, have you never seen him he weigh upto 270 pounds and is 6'2, that is hardly a small guy in my book. Also alot of people don't know what the word big means it is different than tall, big means has alot of mass not that he is tall.

 

Marcinao never knocked out big men that's the whole point fogey you used marciano biggest guys against lewis's smallest so therefore what big guys did marciano ko.

 

That's true, but Williams is at his best at considerably under the 270 pound mark. At 6'1 1/2", he would probably be better at a lower weight, and simply doesn't train very hard.

 

Agreed.

Perhaps we should use somebody like Dempsey, who fought a wide range of larger and smaller opponents--and who everybody agrees represents the absolute peak power a guy of 185 lbs. can be.

 

He couldn't make a lower weight he is a big guy, i am about te same height as williams and weight 190 pounds and am big compared to an average man, he may have been fat but i doubt he could come in weighing less than 230 which is still very big compared to 99% of the guys marciano fought.

 

That is one area where we have less information. We have pretty good evidence of power generation at various weights, but chins are a little trickier to calculate.

It's fair to say, though, that a guy who can take punches from top 217 lb. men (like Ali or Chuvalo) wouldn't have any more trouble with top 237 lb. men. Beyond that, it gets more difficult.

 

Fogey's methods aren't that bad, when you consider that he chose equally bad / equally good opponents (of equal size) for both men.

 

I can't understand how some of you don't think it is harder to knock out a bigger man, i knw you can't measure chin 100% but the fighters that tend to have the best chin's at heavyweight are thick necked and muscular in the sholders and back, so therefore s maller guy with a thinner neck and less muscle in those area's should be easier to ko. There are exception in every case but you have to look at the general not just the odd one o two.

 

My position is that it's a combination of size and neurological makeup (how easily your brain gets switched "off" when it's hit). Big guys are probably a little harder to KO, but the difference isn't enormous.

 

Your the one thats avoiding the issue you say you have not picked and chosen fight's but thats bull. You have alot of fighter's on the lewis side who he fought when he was pretty much a novice, you try and compare lewis fighting holyfield to mariciano fighting louis. Holyfield was two years older than a 35 year old lewis, marciano was 9 years younger at 28 then louis. Also marciano is well renowned as a slugger and a brawler, rather than a boxer/puncher like lewis. Just becuase marciano had to brawl men and go for the ko all the time doesn't make him a better puncher, what it means is that he didn't have the size or boxing ability to stay back and not put himself at risk while boxing and picking his shots, unlike lewis who's style this was.

 

Marciano needed about 1000 punches to KO his man, Lewis needed 1 or 2 - there in lies the difference. Marciano went for the KO everytime, Lewis just took his foot off the gas and jabbed when he saw he could get away with it and when the opponent wasnt a threat