Marciano Harder Hitter than Lennox Lewis

Well, Dempsey has considerably more 1st round KO's, single punch KO's/KD's, and early KO's, whereas quite a few of Marciano's later ones are due to attrition. And some of the men you mentioned are larger than the biggest "good" opponent Marciano faced.

 

Holyfield and Louis were actually at about the same point in their careers when they got defeated, and both were around the same size. It's actually a pretty good comparison.

Your other point (boxer vs. slugger) is excellent. Perhaps we should switch to comparing Marciano or Dempsey with someone like Tyson using this same method, since Tyson always went for a KO? Heck, let's use Tyson, Dempsey, AND Patterson, since all three fought in roughly the same way.

 

Put it this way if you could hit a middle weight boxer with a free shot not being a pro boxer yourself do you think you could ko them. I would say someone like marvin hagler renowned for having a good chin, i am pretty confident that if he let me get a free shot at him i could drop him. Compare this with a guy like danny williams who hasn't got the chin or talent of hagler but is alot bigger. Give your self a free shot at him and would you knock him down or out, i am pretty sure that it wouldn't happen and that he could take it better.

 

It hardly a good comparison becuase marciano was in his prime at 28 and lewis was 7 years older than this so how is it a good comparison.

 

Golota and Ruddock would have been possibly the best names that Marciano had on his resume.

Walcott
Charles
Ruddock
Golota
Louis
LaStarza
Moore

They'd also be among his toughest fights.

Personally I think Lewis was the bigger puncher. Marciano can crack but IMO Lewis was the better puncher and the harder puncher..

 

This should demonstrate my views fairly well:

* I'd be confident that my shot wouldn't knock down Hagler or Williams (one has the best chin of all time but is smaller, the other has a decent chin but is bigger)

* I'd be less confident in punching McCall than I would be with Hagler (Hagler is much smaller, so his ATG chin at middleweight is much less important than McCall's ATG chin at heavyweight).

* I'd be only a little more confident punching McCall than Toney (Toney's chin is weaker because he's smaller, but the difference isn't gigantic)

 

No Holyfield was nearer his prime and he was doing allot of the stuff old Holyfield did and coming off career best wins. Louis was completely removed from the fighter he used to be

 

In fairness allot of those 1st round KOs were against novices

 

Because Lewis went into his prime late, in his early-mid 30's. Marciano was a little before his best during the Louis fight. So it all evens out--both were pretty close to their primes during their respective fights with equally faded ATG's who were the same size.

 

He had just defeated several guys ranked in the Ring top 10, if I recall correctly. That should count for something.

 

Look holyfield is still fightingknow so he was hardly on a big slide when he fought lewis, marciano even admitted he didn't really want to fight louis, as louis was one of his hero's and he didn't want to injure him, compare this to a guy who's meant to be the first or second best heavyweight ever and it shows that louis was well past it at 37 so the holyfield comparison is poor.

 

Louis was still winning consistently against the best competition available when Marciano beat him. If memory serves, the fight was a title eliminator.

And Holyfield is still fighting because he doesn't know when to stop! His career essentially ended after the Lewis fight--he began a long losing streak including Toney, Byrd, Donald, and RUIZ.