Marciano-I Just Don't Understand It

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  1. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    China Chin 5'10 178 lb Satterfield took 31-1 Big Cat Williams best and flattened Big Cat in 3 rounds leaving Big Cat unconscious for several minutes before he could recover and also went 10 vs Nino Valdes winning a UD and dropping Nino for a 9 count in the 10th rd. - he also KO'd Nino conqueror Bob Baker in 1 rd. Layne was described by Nat Fleischer of Ring Magazine as the Next Jack Dempsey and Layne was 34-1-1 beating every man he lost or drew with by KO - Marciano did change all that with one tremendous short right hand (TAP?) Big John Tate -Roy Jones- etc. never really recover from those type of KO losses - few fighters bounce back the same from a devastating count out like that with a few exceptions
     
  2. mcvey

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    He had neither Ingo's footwork,defence, jab,or power .
    Fitter or not, that would not have changed his limitations regarding talent.
     
  3. mcvey

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    Williams was 20 years old 2 day substitute you've been told this 3 times in the last 2 weeks! Satterfield also floored Layne and this was a prime Layne, not a kid coming in as a last minute sub!
    NB Satterfield is Layne's only stoppage over a figther with any pretensions top class!
    Layne wasn't koing everyone at all.
    In his last fight before facing Marciano ,he was taken the distance by journeyman 174pound Henry Hall.
    Prior to that third rater Andy Walker16-7-5 held him to a draw.
    Third rater Dale Hall 16-7-4 held him to a draw.
    Joe Kahut 179lbs went the distance with him.
    Light heavy Dave Whitlock178lbs went the distance with him 3 times wiinning1 and drawing 1.
    Third rater Grant Butcher 12-3-2 went the distance with him.
    Bob Golden 5-2-0 went the route with him.
    As for Cesar Brion See Below!
    James Dawson, New York Times, scored the bout 7-3 for Brion, giving Layne rounds 1, 2 and 8. Associated Press scored the bout 7-3 Layne.
    Dawson wrote:
    “Plunging and tossing like a rudderless ship, Rex Layne, Lewiston, Utah, heavyweight, somehow or other managed to gain a decision over Cesar Brion, from the Argentine, in ten dull rounds of fighting at Madison Square Garden last night. And if there is any consolation in a moral victory, Brion has it. A crowd of 5,768 booed the verdict and it was plain that many, if not the majority, thought Brion had won.”

    Associated Press: “22-year-old Rex from Utah’s sugar beet land failed to live up to the gaudy promise of his Nov. 24 upset over tired old Jersey Joe Walcott.”

    Bottom line, his limitations had been exposed before he met Marciano!
     
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  4. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Williams could PUNCH! Ask Big George.
     
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  5. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Well-Known Member Full Member

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    We don’t need to start the williams discussion again. I think he hit good but let’s face it he has zero good wins. So either he was a terrible finisher or had exaggerated power. Layne at least had some solid wins. You or any of the other detractors can’t take that from him. Layne and Lastarza were good fighters. Were they the best? No. But they were good fighters. Just as Williams was a good fighter. I rate Williams slightly above them and to be honest I have no idea why. The more I look at his record the more unimpressed I am. But he looks good in film.
     
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  6. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Don't mind Bummy. He's just a Marciano arse licker who likes to degrade anyone he perceives as threats to his hero.
     
  7. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Below is a report of the Brion fight

    James Dawson, New York Times, scored the bout 7-3 for Brion, giving Layne rounds 1, 2 and 8. Associated Press scored the bout 7-3 Layne.
    Dawson wrote:
    “Plunging and tossing like a rudderless ship, Rex Layne, Lewiston, Utah, heavyweight, somehow or other managed to gain a decision over Cesar Brion, from the Argentine, in ten dull rounds of fighting at Madison Square Garden last night. And if there is any consolation in a moral victory, Brion has it. A crowd of 5,768 booed the verdict and it was plain that many, if not the majority, thought Brion had won.”

    Associated Press: “22-year-old Rex from Utah’s sugar beet land failed to live up to the gaudy promise of his Nov. 24 upset over tired old Jersey Joe Walcott.”
    So take that away ,make it a draw at best, and the Charles robbery ,and you have what? A win over Thompson, who was unranked, had lost his last 2 would have 2 more lose them and retire ,and a good win over Walcott.

    Is that a fair assessment ? A yes or no will suffice.
     
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  8. mcvey

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    So Williams couldn't punch hard,despite the endorsements of
    Terrell
    Foreman
    Liston
    Machen
    Louis "That man Williams is way past his best,but brother he can still take you out with one punch! "
     
  9. ronnyrains

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    Rock did everything right, he went 49-0 43 knockouts, defended his title, and got out on top with his marbles relatively still in tact AND SOME CASH, -matchups I know thats pretty much a forum seed, And we will never know who he would have beaten or lost to, but at the time, the man was tops.
     
  10. mcvey

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    I didn't start it Bummy Davis somehow thought it was relevant .
    I've asked you 4 times for the three or four good wins Layne has .You've repeatedly refused to provide them ,but continually refer to them.That's rather strange imo.
    I'm not a detractor, I just believe both, Lastarza and Layne were very moderate contenders in a shallow era .
    Anyone wishing to convince otherwise has to do better than refer obliquely to ,"three or four good wins" and that goes for good old Rollie too! Names would be a start ,but I'm not holding my breath!
     
  11. Seamus

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    The only thing that the uber-protected Lastarza offers this argument is to make Layne appear like the second coming of John L..
     
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  12. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lmao you know the names we just discussed them. You need to hear them from me personally? Satterfield Walcott Charles Brion Hall Thompson Whitlock were all good to decent fighters. I don’t think calling them moderate contenders in a weak era is inaccurate. All I’m saying is they were GOOD fighters . Do you deny that they were GOOD? Otherwise idk what you’re arguing about.
     
  13. mr. magoo

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    It’s a fine assessment. He was 22 years old hadn’t been the pros that long and taking on a tough opponent. The outcome was close.. so what ?
     
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  14. ronnyrains

    ronnyrains Active Member Full Member

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    I saw Lastarza on a old batman series like 5 o'clock on a saturday morning, i guess I'd passed out in my chair lol
     
  15. janitor

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    LaStarza was a #1 ranked Ring Magazine contender.

    That makes him somebody of consequence, even if he was very protected in earning that status.
     
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