Marciano-I Just Don't Understand It

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    He was more a master of the improvised science.

    He couldn't be a technical boxer, due to his reach, so he became a swarmer, and as good a swarmer as he could be.

    Just because a fighter has to function as a swarmer, it does not mean that they are unscientific, or that they don't understand what a scientific boxer is doing.

    It just means that they have decided that their best option, is to adopt this high intensity style.
     
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  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I agree. He had his own set of skills and they worked just fine for him.
     
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  3. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I would say that Wilder had beaten nobody then, and that his resume is still very thin now.

    I would give you an award for being premature in your praise of an active fighter!
     
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  4. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Proof once again.

    another example where somebody may as well just say:

    “ I disagree with any defence of Marciano, therefore you are dishonest, disingenuous and mad.”
     
  5. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Was the post even directed at you?
     
  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Wilder has beaten three ranked contenders.

    He's obviously dangerous for that.
     
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  7. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This right here made me LOL at work
     
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  8. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Marciano did not have good balance and Emmanuel Steward commented on it, he fell to the floor after missing punches against Lastarza and Beshore.The problem with Rocky ,for his opponents, was he never seemed to get discouraged or fall prey to doubts about the possibility of losing,even when half blinded in the first Walcott fight , his only comment to his corner was,"Im having trouble seeing",he never for a second contemplated quitting. A very disquieting man to fight I should imagine.
     
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  9. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I don't think you are mad.lol
     
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  10. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    As of this moment McVey is half pissed on Chateauneuf- du- Pape!
     
  11. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No, but @The Undefeated Lachbuster told me he didn't have the heart to tell you himself
     
  12. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Oh the hate is strong in this one.

    Why do you take it so personal? It’s not my fault the legend of Big Cat Williams didn’t stack up.
     
  13. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Hope it’s a good vintage. Enjoy!
     
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  14. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King Full Member

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    I guess you don't know what a volume puncher is?

    How do you spam and throw tons of 1 punch ko punches and land flush yet take several rounds to ko your opponents? Its a contradiction.

    Have you seen Wilder's ko of Szpilka? It was a beautiful counter. Rocky getting dropped early cant be called a fluke since it happened twice and wilder has several brutal first round blowouts.

    There weren't 4 titles in rocky's era. Rummy's corner already ethered this silly argument against wilder. There'd be a lot more people equaling his record in this so called "weak" era if it was so easy. And Joshua blatantly ducked him to cherry pick gabriel iglesias--i mean Andy Ruiz--and paid for it.

    He showed that he was in better shape than a bunch of shopworn old fighters. Credit to him for beating the best opponents available but to quote his own opponent don cokkel "he simply threw more". I don't know why people keep putting their fingers in their ears when it comes to this. He has to usually resort to tko's/ref stoppages when he finally steps up against mediocre opponents who had several prior brutal ko losses. That says it all.

    Wilder fights tall and rocky uses his "special crouching style to make himself smaller" to quote the experts around here. Sounds like a recipe for a disaster. A flabby old joe Louis gave rocky a black eye with his jab, how is he going to get past a prime wilder's jab? Watch the first stiverne fight. Obviously rocky is a better fighter than stiverne but the dude was helpless and lost every round to Wilder's jab.

    Actually he does but many people have made that comparison as far as his body type and how he gets leverage and snap. Foreman, holyfield, and lennox have also praised wilder but i guess they were just drunk.

    1-wilder has become more of a boxer puncher in his recent fights. His ko of brezeale was beautiful.
    2-wilder has a damn good jab too. Not as Great as hearns Obviously but this is a myth. Agree hearns waz a better body puncher i have no idea why wilder doesn't go there.
    3-true but to be fair hearns had a phenomenal amateur career and an ATG trainer.
    4-sometimes. Wilder's footwork is inconsistent but he's had some food showings. Its becoming apparent you only watch his earlier cruder fights which is ironic given you are arguing in rocky's favor. Their early careers were both very crude and sloppy.
    5-they both do that.

    That's all i was saying then you went on a huge tangent. He gets lots of leverage with a similar lanky body. A stubby slugger with poor defense is a bad matchup. If wilder had a weak chin like hearns id favor rocky in a heart beat.

    Yawn.

    Fury was a prime undefeated lineal champion. Ortiz was an undefeated hard hitting south paw with a superb amateur background and top 10 ranking. Your entire paragraph is fake news.
     
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  15. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Any Liston or Marciano thread. The fact that you're trying to deny it is laughable.