Marciano-I Just Don't Understand It

Yes, a puncher, with high volume.

Sorry? Is your argument that every punch Rocky throws is a KO punch? Are you thick? He slowed people down, because he wasn't good or quick enough to land a KO punch.
Comprende?

Yes. Of course I have.

It was a standard right hand counter, against a no hoper who left his chin in the air and made a massive lapse in judgement in abandoning his game plan.

Both Moore's and Walcott's counters were more skilled, but not more devastating.
Also, are you really trying to say that Wilder could throw those punches?

I didn't say it was a fluke? I said it was because he was off balance. Which it was, and he was frequently off balance.

No, he doesn't. He has two. One of which he was hurt in, the other against a shot to ****, fat Stiverne.

Liakahovich and Harrison don't count, both were pathetic wins for Wilder and shouldn't even have been fighting, let alone fighting him.

Errr no **** Sherlock

Did he tho? He just agreed with my point through out. More belts = more impressive lol. Quit trying. It's embarrassing.

Did I say it was easy? No. Coz it's not. What Wilder has done is historically competitive, but that's it. It's not great, it's not never happened before, and it's not gonna happen again. It's a good run, but he has literally only fought 3 decent men, and lost to one of them.

Get of his dick, c'mon man I thought you were better than that ****.

Did you miss where he turned down the Joshua fight for 120 million? In his own country? With the rematch clauses he wanted?
Yeah, yet "Joshua blatantly ducked him"

No, he doesn't.

Many people? Who? What knowledgeable people have?

They make the comparison for the reasons I gave, you can compare Wilder's explosiveness to a lot of fighters.

No, I agree with what they praised him for. Just not the comparison with Tommy Hearns.

Something Wilder has done his whole career...
Whilst this is not:

In fact, it's something Wilder has actively avoided doing...

Errrr yeah, he was a volume puncher. The **** did you expect?

Errr Wallcott 1? Louis? Charles 2?

You can say everything you mentioned about Wilder.

Because he doesn't throw it much??

Yeah, coz he was poor, 36 and has a worse workrate than Wilder... He lost because Wilder gave him nothing to counter and he couldn't take a lead himself, Rocky can.

And I'm not even saying Rocky definitely wins, coz I can't be arsed with that debate. And I've already made a case to Lachlan that Wilder could KO Marciano in 1.

No. He hasn't.
In his last 5 fights, he's won no more than 10 rounds, of 31. He isn't a boxer.
He was getting shut out by Ortiz
He was should've lost easily to Fury, and didn't show he was a good boxer for a second of either fight. Showed he was a wild mauler in the Stiverne rematch, and first Ortiz fight, and that he could throw a straight right against Breazeale, which we already knew was a walking punch bag...

Wilder ain't no boxer-puncher.

Objectively false. He has a hard jab, that's it.

Errrr no. I have literally seen every Wilder title fight, and plenty pre title career. And have watched every fight, bar Ortiz 2, since Stiverne 2 live. I've seen more Wilder than I have Marciano...

What's become increasingly apparent is you are a MASSIVE Wilder fan boy.

I'm not arguing Rocky is more skilled than Wilder. He probably isn't, he definitely couldn't throw better punches.

No they don't. Wilder has a very very poor workrate. Hearns didn't.

Wilder throws 1 hard shot at a time, and throws his jab whenever it crosses his mind, it's not consistent at all.

No you compared him to Hearns, I showed why that's not a good comparison. That's not a tangent, that's arguing a point, and saying you didn't have a **** point yourself. Which you don't, coz there are definite similarities.

He does...
Have you even watched that many Wilder fights? He was stumbled and hurt by Eric Molina... And dropped by Harold Sconiers, literally drooling against Ortiz and hurt by Breazeale. He doesn't have a good chin at all.

Sorry? Did either of these two pressure him? Which is what I said...
No.
Your entire paragraph was completely irrelevant. In fact, you're entire post was fake news.

Now that you've been educated, and y'know, lost. Why don't you do yourself a favour and just watch this, it'll make you feel better

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What am I denying here? Please tell me EXACTLY. You came on here to attack me!

Once again, the literal translation of what you are saying is “if you defend Marciano Then you are Mad and Dishonest”

 

Without getting into the debate you make foolproof points on this one. If Wilder had a jab near as great as Hearns he'd be a far "better" fighter and wouldn't be getting outpointed round after round and having to rely on that immense right hand.

Hearns actually outboxed ATG's. He comfortably outboxed a great boxer in Wilfredo Benitez over 15 and outboxed SRL for the majority of their fight as well. It was hard to win a round off him. Wilder doesn't outbox anybody really, certainly not anybody good. Hearns also went after people with punches where as Wilder's output is minimal to say the least. He relies completely on that big right hand, which admittedly has worked well for him to this point excepting Fury.

I'd also agree Wilder's chin is potentially shaky. The jury is still out for me. He extremely cautious, particularly comparative to Hearns and has been shaken. The caution could also be the sign of a limited gas tank as he has seemed surprisingly gassed a bit at times. He's shown heart and determination tho truth be told.

Carry on!

 

Wilder actually showed a pretty good jab against Stiverne in their first fight but he gone kinda power mad since then and just loads up on everything.

 

Wilder is unbeaten and he’s good enough to be where he is for now and I admire him for that.

The problem is take Fury and Ortiz out of wilders resume and his record nothing but a long padded record against stiffs. He is not a champion because he has not won a fight to decide who is the best heavyweight in the world.

Ortiz is an old man. And He did not beat Fury.

But all that is not to say we must completely write wilder off now. We can’t. His career is still going and to write him off now is like asking for egg on your face.

However, making comparisons with ATGs now is also like inviting more eggs.

 

Maybe I'm the only one who feels this way, But Wilders only saving grace is his power, and the fact his opponents so far hasn't been anything special. (Same can be said about Marciano) But of all the current heavy champs Marciano's best chance would be against Wilder.... Here's why. Wilder barely uses a jab and when he does he usually pushes it out. Very little snap. Wilder over commits to his right hand, usually telegraphed it. Marciano"s lack of height here maybe is an advantage here , because he normally fought out of a crouch, he could see Wilder loading up his shots, get lower, underneath them. Wilder isn't a "Heavy" heavyweight he's a tall
Heavyweight, his weight is around 213, wouldnt be a hugh difference. Marciano wouldn't be trying too hit Wilder on the chin, his shots would be focused at what's most convenient, his body, hips (groin?) No one yet has focused a strong body attack on Wilder ( What he's fought simply doesn't have the ability) But I'm sure a fighter like Marciano would , It could be what usually happened to Hearns when his body was attacked, sometimes being that lean is a major detriment.
If Wilder had more than the basic fundamentals Marciano wouldn't stand a chance, But he doesn't, of all the current "champs" Marciano's best chance would be Wilder in my opnion.

 

Their are literally countless examples of your intellectual dishonesty, stupidity (at best), half truths, and flat out lies. Numerous posters, such as JohnThomas1, McVey, GOAT Primo Carnera, George Crowcroft, and myself have called you out on it. The fact that you're trying to deny any of this is laughable.

 

Which producer?

 

Nice point. Marciano was as cold blooded as they come. Again, take nothing away from the man. He was a warrior to his bone. Still waters can run very deep.

 

For the life of me,,I cannot imagine how Rocky is going to get to Wilder, Rocky is primarily an attrition fighter so he's going to walk in on Wilder behind his midget jab? He couldn't do that against Walcott without getting dropped. I'd be shocked if this fight saw round 3

 

Those guys Simply disagree with me and get a little butt hurt when they do. The intellectual dishonesty thing never stood up because I am not dishonest or an intellectual. The new one is disingenuous. But I don’t pretend not to know more than I do. Because I always tell them exactly what I know or think. I’m happy to discuss examples that are not simply disagreements. Quite honestly They simply disagree with me in an unsportsmanlike way.

 

Wilder would knock him out he is to big for Marciano...

 

Seeing that Rocky generally isn’t that hard to hit, with the physical advantages and that devastating power you would have to favour Wilder here to get the ko.
It isn’t inconceivable that Rocky wins though. It would all depend of course if he could avoid the bombs, and with him being much smaller height wise, coming in low and Wilder having to punch down it’s a possibility. If Rocky could manage that, his phenomenal output especially in comparison to Wilder’s low output, and Wilders tendency to ignore the jab, could allow Rocky to get on the inside work Wilders body and take a hard fought decision.
You’d still have to go for Wilder though at some point to find the punch, he is incredibly patient.
It’s ironic really to me that of all the modern day top guys, Wilder is probably the one that Marciano would have the best chance against, even though he’s the most dangerous, simply because of Wilders lack of fundamentals.

 

Not sure why you think I'm implying that when I said he did nothing against Fury, then was too exhausted to even put him on the back foot when he clearly (should have) needed the KO

 

Do you train fighters to dance like Ali?
Do you instruct them on how to shuffle?
How to avoid punches by having their hands low and pulling their head back while moving backwards?

You say Marciano only won because his opposition was worse than him. First, that’s a non telling statement. Second, not one of those boxers could expose and thereby defeat a fighter who had the basics of footwork completely wrong?