Marciano-I Just Don't Understand It

Speed = A force applied in the shortest amount of time. "Thats what power is".........fact.

Guys like Evander Holyfield and Muhammad Ali are more powerfull, but then you are speaking about "Force" itself.

Some fighters hit will allot of power, but less force. George Foreman hit will large forces, where as Mike Tyson was more of a power puncher. There are different type of punchers, its maths son.....simple maths..

And fighters will react different when being hit to this fighters, biomechanics, and maths baby.

 

why are people saying that marciano has a weak resume?marciano beat joe louis,walcott x2,charles x2 and a prime archie moore.
yea they weren't exactly in prime but they were still good fighters,especially walcott who beat charles x2 previously his bout with rocco.

 

a knock out blow is a knock out blow. If a guy has a history of geting put on his ass by a particular punch any guy who can concuss world champions with the same blow has a good chance also.

you think holmes beat tyson? snipes and shavers couldnt finish like rocky. on the subject of size it works both ways. if you are good enough you are big enough. two stone lighter but equaly as strong and twice as efective kind of evens things out. a lot.

with all that reach, punching down, holmes would have to work much harder than he ever did to keep marciano and his over hand right off him- even listening to james brown.

you are corect. ali did not stop foreman, he was counted out. its actualy worse. look that one up in the oxford dictionary.

why because marciano was a regular 187 pound man who couldnt fight? marciano was an exceptional fighter who could not have done more, against the odds. Tyson was great but he did not acheive all that could have been done against the odds.

thats right, ali had a long lay off and wasnt ready, then frazier lost the other fights he had against him. frazier was a good champion but he fought 2 linear champions and they both stopped him.

listen kid, you have a whole lot more to learn if you think you can asses boxing with "speed+mass = more power". do you think its like hitting a golf ball? and if it were (its not) there is a lot of evidence that there are exceptions to the rule that you wont entertain. what about timing and openings? knockouts occur when a punch lands sweet that you never saw coming. some guys hit harder than others but knockouts only hapen if it lands before the other guy. nothing to do with maths.

 

:goodWell said

 

Marciano had a very fast release and beat many quick fighters to the punch with odd-angled-rhythm breaking shots ...Foreman in his young career avoided punchers and admitted he avoided the 6" foot sub 200lb Jerry Quarry, Marciano would be a very tough man for any of them to beat

With a self proclaimed name like Primadona Kool I can imagaine the Bull-**** squirting out of your key board

 

You're an imbecile. You going to tell me that Shavers was a fast puncher or something? Tyson was much faster... you going to tell me he hit harder? It looked like he gets more leverage, but do you think he has more power? If so you're a jackass, which you already are (It's simply maths that you are).

Holyfield is fast puncher but couldn't even dent Bowe. Took him 30 consecutive shots for Foreman to even feel his punchers. Punchers are born, they are not made. Holyfield was not made a puncher. Julian Jackson and Tommy Hearns were hugely powerful MW fighters. Tyson talked about their lethal power even though they're 160 pounds. Sonny Liston, Joe Louis, and Marciano all hit harder than Holyfield. They're punchers.

Please do us all a favor and run along back to the general.

 

I don't believe men with the same men as their avatars should fight. That's just something I don't believe in...Unless one of them is a troll. So, I guess this is okay.

 

I relly dont know what you guys want MORE from the Rock.

All this vs matchs vs Bowe, Ali, Tyson, Fraizer ete is relly guess work. We have no ideal what will happen, perhaps Tyson blasts Marciano out in a few rounds, or perhaps Marciano gets Tyson late.

We wont know because it didnt happen.

Marciano did eveything there was in his hayday as champion. When he retire, the top ten were clean out and beaten. Marciano clean house in his era, like Louis did in his and Tyson did in the 80's. That alone should get Marciano a top ten ranking.
I put him in the top 5 for mostly cleaning out his era.

You cant ask him to fight a Ali or a Holmes or a Tyson, because, well they were not around. No one brings this up with Louis or Dempsey, but they always bring it up with Marciano even though Marciano did more as "Champion" than Jack Dempsey did in his 7 year 5 year break title rein. Marciano didnt have a number 1 guy waiting for his shot for 7 years in a row like Wills did vs Dempsey, or even the number 2 guy Greb waiting.

Marciano did not build his defenses up vs has beens and never was like Holmes did vs the Bays of the world. All the guys Marciano face earn there title shot.
Well expect Cockell, but thats a other story.

 

very true and Larry Holmes is always given praise but Larry fought the worst challengers ever, never unified and never re-matched a tough fight. We know for sure that the connected Don King paid for Larry's ratings and that of his opponent Tom Prater with the Ring Magazine scandal and Larry fought 2 fighters with 10 wins, one with 13, and 2 fighters with 14 fights, and 2 fighters with 15 fights and Weaver was 18-9 and made a name in that fight never to get a rematch.

Holmes made the mistake of fighting the never fought as a heavyweight M. Spinks and later Mike Tyson but as much as I like the good things about Larry as a fighter I think a lot of other fighters would have had just as long as a run against his type of opposition at the time he fought them and I think he would have had some earlier losses had he fought the best of his time.

Even the bigger names like Weaver,Witherspoon he fought before they peaked and although they were not great fighters never re-matched them while they were a danger. Holmes even chose to give up a title to erratic but sometime talented Greg Page rather than fight him.

Marciano fought 5 # 1 contenders in an era of 1 title and in his other defense fought a # 2 contender. I know a lot of reaching critics try to undermine these accomplishments but Charles, Walcott, Moore,Lastarza, Layne,Matthews, were all strong challengers at the time Marciano fought them. In fact the 6"4 Carmine Vingo was quite a challenge at that stage of both mens careers

 

Complete and utter lies, Larry Holmes did not face the worst challanges ever. The 1980's was home to some of the most talented heavyweights of all-time........

Larry Holmes would make Rocky Marciano look like a ******, deep down you know i'm right. Walking foward in straight lines, slow hand speed, easy to hit.........

Larry Holmes was by far the greater champion.

 

Yeah,...and then you woke up...

 

Evander Holyfield hurt Riddick Bowe in all 3 fights...so shut up you ****.

Evander Holyfield had George Foreman stumbling about, and covering up like he was being hit by a machine gun.....so shut up you ****.

Go away.

 

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