Marciano-I Just Don't Understand It

Thanks for not admitting you were wrong on the 10minutes you stated Williams was unconscious for, it just confirms what your recent posts have been indicating about you!

 

Which decades would you say?
The 30's?Would he fit in with
Schmeling
Sharkey
Stribling
Griffiths
Carnera
Godfrey
Risko
Schaaf
Loughran
Baer
It was a pretty weak era.
How about the 40's ,another not very deep decade?
How many of these does he beat?
Louis
Baer
Godoy
Conn
Franklin
Toles
Nova
Simon
Godfrey
Pastor
Thompson

20's?
Dempsey
Tunney
Wills
Godfrey
Firpo
Renault
Gibbons
Weinert
Maloney
Spalla
Miske
Brennan

 

And yet beyond that point, beating Terry Daniels for the Texas State Title was a big win for Williams . It’s as good as anything before the shooting wouldn’t you say? Even before the shooting Williams was not knocking out that kind of fighter was he?

 

He stopped no8 Alex Miteff.He stopped Terrell who in55 fights was stopped twice by Williams and by Jeff Merrit in his last fight.
He stopped Young Jack Johnson not an easy feat,he stopped Roger Rischer who went the distance with
Cooper
Spencer
Machen
Folley
Powell
Lincoln

 

Lol loved how you left out his biggest win while pretending to be neutral. Typical Choklab

 

Some fighters can carry over into the heavier heavys. He’s not one of them imo. He didn’t have specific skill set that would allow him to move up today. People like Holyfield Marciano Moore Moorer Spinks Tooney Byrd all had specific skill sets (power, defensive, or speed) that allowed them to move up. I don’t think men like Lastarza or Cockell could properly fight at HW. 60s pre he could be ranked at times after would be tough (maybe early 80s) but he would be a fine cruiser/LHW at anytime. Not saying he’s championship material but he would be a player.

 

I gave three decades to choose from before the era of big modern heavyweights 20,s,30,s 40,s.
None were particularly deep ones as regards talent.Does Cokkell become, "a player " there? That was my question.
I didn't want to load it by pitting him against big modern guys because others here would say I was deliberately setting him up to lose! So I picked earlier eras which featured some smaller guys being ranked.
NB The 50's was not a strong era and Cokkell was only ranked from , I believe December 54 until May55.

 

I don’t see why he couldn’t be ranked in any of the other decades prior may not be for long. Feel like the 50s was better then it gets credit for with the likes of Marciano Liston Walcott Charles Moore Ingo Patterson Johnson Machen Nino Layne and more were all good fighters. Not the strongest era not the weakest but respectable imo.

 

Have someone read you the article I sent or put your bifocals on old timer - you said less than a minute- The article stated several is several closer to 10 or one- The article also stated Bob Satterfield gave up 25 lbs but he still KO'd Big Cat for SEVERAL minutes -

 

I don't think he cuts the top 20 today in the CW division. God forbid he is pitted against any of the top 5.

 

like I say, winning the Texas State title against Terry Daniels right after Terry fought Frazier for the title is as good as any of this. Miteff, Young Jack Johnson and Roger Rischer are stocking fillers. fringe level retreads. Those guys were erratic and often beaten. They lost more fights than Daniels too. The famous win over Terrell was later corrected as soon as Terrell developed. But props for taking on Ernie a second time knowing he had improved.

Yeah, Cockell absolutely can feature in rankings during the 1920s, 30s or 40s. Why not? I don’t think Don was so far away from Tommy Farr. Both had been lightheavyweights too. If he beats Red Burman, Don can too. Guys who were around like King Levinsky remember. So that’s the 1930s. I don’t see why Don can’t nick similar wins as Tommy did. 1920s? George’s Carpentier landed a title shot based on his European wins. Why can’t Don? 1940s? Well Don did beat one of Ezzard Charles’ challengers in any case..so yes, he qualifies.

 

And what win would that be? Was it against a contender?

Does it eclipse the win over Daniels?

 

Cruisers aren’t to bad today. I wonder what a roided up Don looks like? I disagree with your assessment. Don does ok today just not as a HW unless he puts on that Ruiz weight then maybe

 

He doesn't have Ruiz' skill, quickness or chin. Not even close.

 

Terrell. You know the Terrell who was probably the best fighter in the mid 60s not named Muhammad Ali. The same Terrell who hadn't lost in 2 years (an SD which could've gone either way) and wouldn't lose for another 5 years (ironically most people thought he lost yet again to Williams in the rematch) to the GOAT.