Marciano-I Just Don't Understand It

You're right, facts don't lie. But you lied. You said he was out for "10 minutes" and nowhere does it say that. Even 3 minutes can be "several minutes" according to the actual definition:

"being more than two but fewer than many in number or kind"

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/several

Maybe YOU need a dictionary...???

You ASSUMED it was 10 minutes (or lied). This all could have been over if you simply admitted the 10 minute was flat out wrong when mcvey showed that those numbers were off according to his source and yours!

And for the last time, NONE of us think williams was a "great" fighter. He was a good fighter with good power. The fact you keep DODGING THE QUESTION when asked if the only proof of punching power is by koing ranked contenders is very telling.

 

none of you think Big Cat was Great but you all think he still beats everyone Rocky fought don’t you?

It is a valid point that a big puncher who cannot knockout elite fighters is less dangerous than a big puncher who can knockout ranked fighters.

 

Idk why the “10” min crowd has completely gone off the deep end. They missed the point entirely and are trying to deflect. If the original poster of the ten minutes was off by a min or two or five it doesn’t change the overall point of said post. Williams was a fine fighter but let’s not overhype him and down greats like Marciano. Makes no sense.

 

Not remotely. When he was stopped by Williams Terrell had one split decision loss in the previous three years. That is not even close to "one loss a year".

 

Another lie (shocker) Terrell hadn't lost in 2 years at that point (which was an SD that could've gone either way) and would remain unbeaten.

Funny you mention it because Terrell (in his prime) only won an SD. Many people including the AP had Williams winning that fight.

 

Terrell turned pro in May 1957.

Terrell lost within 12months of turning pro to Johnny Gray on April 1958.

Ten months later Terrell lost again to Johnny Gray in Feb 1959.

after that Terrell lost to Wayne Bethea December 1960.

Just 16 month later Terrell lost to Williams in April 1962.

By my calculation, including losing to Williams, in Four years and ten months Terrell lost 4 times.

 

From April 1958 to April 1962 (4 years) Terrell lost 4 fights.

 

Intellectual dishonesty at its finest

 

Jesus Christ chok

 

Show me the post where I or anyone in this thread said that and I'll like every post I see you make for a week.

Except that's not what you've said. You've been going on a crusade in this thread and others flat out refusing to call williams a good puncher. I think You even used the word "myth".

How you can say a man with 60 of his 80 wins being by way of knockout isnt a real puncher is baffling, especially when its cosigner by his opponents and sparring partners. The guy managed to retire with a 63% ko ratio despite literally being shot and continuing to fight way past his prime, but for some reason you hold that against him while ignoring any damage or losses rocky's opponents had. There are levels to it, as you've said yourself, but your problem is putting words in people's mouths or asking loaded questions. No one here as far as I remember was claiming williams was a top 5 puncher of all time or that he would demolish every man rocky faced. You are arguing against points nobody made.

Speaking for myself for the second time now, I rate him (in his prime) as a good, sharp and explosive athletic B level fighter who lacked defense and durability. A good but not phenomenal puncher with a mean hook and body shots. Take it or leave it, Ive clarified my position.

 

This is not unreasonable. I accept B level fighter with good but not phenomenal punch.

 

Which is not what you stated as you well know!

 

Even if though it kind of misses the point. Splitting hairs on a point that hasn’t much to do w the argument that’s all.

 

Except that one poster has mentioned it 4 times and, having been corrected ,has not had the courtesy to come back and retract it!