Marciano-I Just Don't Understand It

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Please don't do this, its making me squirm watching you wriggle .I'm getting embarrassed for you!
    Stop digging that hole FFS!
     
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  2. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Well together Baker and Williams are a peg bellow Satterfeild because he knocked them both spark out. He crushed the pair of them. And we all know what happened to Bob Satterfeild when he took on Charles and Rex Layne.
     
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  3. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You notice he didn’t give an answer for the record. 11-0 against 200 plus pound fighters all knock outs. Average fight lasted 4.4 rounds roughly. How many 200 pound plus men does it take getting knocked out to satisfy someone that they can beat 200 plus pound men? Would it be 15?20? I would like him to answer because he knows more then my rockista damaged brain does.
     
  4. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

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    Is your brain really that plagued to believe this 11 (8 if we trimm the fat MWs down)

    254lb Jackson 4-2 (don´t use the avarage weight here because of this fattie, use the median for proper descriptive statistics) (started at 160)
    206lb Hardemann 1-4
    213lb Connolly 8-5
    201 Donato 7-10
    206 Eatman 22-20-5
    220 Shkor 30-18-2
    229 Wilson 41-11-2
    200 Simmons 8-8-1
    213 Louis 66-2
    200 Savold 104-45-4 (started at 158)
    205 ****ell 66-11-1 (started at 160)

    is a "Heavyweight resume" ?? Do you need another antiviral treatment about this exact loose screw of yours?
     
  5. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Answer the question. How many 200 plus pound men does/did he have to knock out? I want a number.
     
  6. mcvey

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    It doesn't work like that.
    Baker actually has a strong resume .stronger than Layne' s for example
    His wins include
    Layne x3
    Chuvalo
    Bivins
    Agramonte
    Valdesx2
    Slade
    Cestac
    Payne
    Mederos
    Wallacex2
    Baksi
    Holman
    Brion
    Peaks
     
  7. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

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    Since I want to help you RBV guys, I´m collaborative with another antiviral dose.

    ATG HWs


    Tyson: Prob around 35+ HWs. Avr. weight about 218lb. All championchip-fights true HWs. Most of them KOd early, in championchip-fight avr. 4 rounds. I think thats record.
    Best 11 fighters wins-losses: 299-18

    George Foreman: Prob 40+ HWs. Avr weight about 215+. Championchip-fights true HWs. Record for lowest avr. knockout rounds.
    Best 11 fighters wins-losses: 353-25

    Larry Holmes: Prob 35+ HWs. Avr weight was about 212-214. Beat 20 true HWs in title fights.
    Best 11 fighters wins-losses: 308-17

    Lewis: Prob around 30+ HWs. Avr weight I think was 228. All championchip-fights true HWs. Some early. Beat a hell of 2X/3X-0 undefeated boxers.
    Best 11 fighters wins-losses: 425-17, non of the guys beat had more than 3 losses!

    Wlad: Prob 60+ HWs. Avr weight about 22X. All champion-fights true HWs. Reigned for over 10 years.
    Best 11 fighters wins-losses: 322-8

    I´ll stop here, since that should be enough. Thats not 200+ guys, most of them were 210+

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    Thats more than half of a 49-0. Most, if not all of them true HWs in championchip fights. Good knockout ratio or other domination.

    You think that 353-134 is a good value? Want to exclude the blown up MWs to check for remaining 8 HWs? Oh sure, I see absolute no difference to 299-18, 353-25, 308-17, 425-17 and 322-8.

    No 8 HWs with a added up crap result. True successful fighters at least.

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    I hope that could relieve the RBV of yours.
     
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  8. janitor

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    Marciano showed us what a prime all time great should do, against a past time all time great, when he knocked Joe Louis through the ropes.

    Perhaps he would always have beaten Holmes, he certainly had the style to do it.

    Against this version of Holmes, he probably gets the stoppage.
     
  9. mr. magoo

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    Rocky Marciano stopping a 42 year old Holmes is a very real possibility, yes.
     
  10. Gazelle Punch

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    You came nowhere near answering the question
     
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  11. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    Its up to you, gathering the gulf of 8-11 wins (134 losses) and genuine HW resumes.
     
  12. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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  13. Glass City Cobra

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    You are most certainly not in good condition to fight if you just had a fight 2 weeks prior. Especially with a 2 days notice. There's a reason that would be unthinkable im today's era: because it would be dangerous. It's the reason boxers have a more reasonable schedule nowadays. The trainer can't really do much as far as coming up with a strategy and the promoter can do even less, which means less money, which is the whole point of them fighting in the first place.

    Even if Williams won his last bout, 6 rounds is a long time to be trading leather, especially at heavyweight. Have you ever been in a fight? With all the adrenaline, you don't notice the aches and pains, bruises, and swelling until you wake up the next day. That's why i think its ridiculous to suggest even a 20 year old will be perfectly ready to fight a dangerous veteran slugger on a 2 day's notice when he just had a fight only 2 weeks prior.

    It's not about excuses its common sense. Either you've never boxed or you know this is an unreasonable argument but you don't care because it suits your agenda. Imagine having a playoff game in football and then playing another dangerous team the vert next day. That's how ridiculous this sounds.
     
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  14. Gazelle Punch

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    Not a bad resume for Baker.
     
  15. Seamus

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    Holmes schools him and has him wobbling like a sailor on the main deck during a gale.

    Even at 42, Larry was more athletic, more versatile, geometrically greater Ring IQ, and at 6-3, 230, 81" reach, he was the antithesis to Marciano specimen wise.