Marciano-I Just Don't Understand It

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  1. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Well-Known Member Full Member

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    As soon as he fought on championchip level (title fights), his avarage time to stop someone rose to over 9 rounds. Including senior Walcott 2x, Moore, the fat middleweight Don ****ell and 185 pounder LaStarza!
    What on earth makes you think he KOs these three Juggernauts??? How do you think would a Foreman vs. Rocco look like ? :copas:
     
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  2. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He mistakenly wrote Lewis, when he (obviously!) meant Louis. You know this very well, and to claim otherwise is intellectual dishonesty.
     
  3. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I say Fury won 10rounds and I'm backed by several experts on that.And No. Marciano never pushed a man back weighing 231lbs.
    Apart from 213 3/4lbs lbs [17lbs lighter,]Louis in which fight did Marciano push back men of Wilder's size?
    Do you know something, I'm starting to really dislike you ,from originally finding you a devious twister of the truth .I now see a pedantic , blatant spinner of lies. Don't respond to my posts you've been back what, a couple of days and already you're putting peoples backs up,with your antics.
    Ignore my posts and I'll ignore your posts ,they're **** anyway.
     
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  4. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    A **** is a ****, is a ****.
     
  5. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    But I was just pulling his leg. So it doesn’t count.
     
  6. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ive since corrected it, but of course that wouldn't stop this *****.
     
  7. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You're on point with all of the above. He loses badly to Ali, Holmes, Foreman. He probably loses to Frazier and Tyson.
     
  8. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is what we mean. You present "facts" like Joe Louis being heavier than Wilder ONCE in his career. It is a blatant cherry pick since it is Wilder's lowest weight and Joe Louis' highest weight.

    The implication and "main point" you are getting at--that Marciano can contend with and push back men of Wilder's size--is quite a stretch of the imagination at best, and disingenuous at worst. Why? In plain terms because the basis of your argument falls apart when you look at literally all of Wilder's fights and see that in the majority of them he weighed more than the convenient 209 you picked. There are other glaring factors:

    -Louis was getting old and putting on weight. This was NOT his prime as you yourself admitted. He did not gain this weight as functional muscle mass through training, lifting, or foods he literally just got older ans didn't do the same sort of intense workouts he did in his prime.

    -Louis CONSISTENTLY weighed less than he did for the Rocky fight. I noticed you ducked my very simple question asking why you didn't take averages for Louis and Wilder?

    -wilder in contrast OVERtrained and was very lethargic and lanky. The fact he came in at 230 in the very next fight is him and his team admitting that was a mistake.

    -not to mention the glaring fact Wilder is 5 inches taller with longer arms than Louis. They are NOT the same size even if we take seriously your leap of logic that Louis was the "larger" man in ONE fight.

    The funny thing is I guarrantee if someone were to make a thread Louis vs X boxer and claimed X boxer would have nothing to fear from Louis' right hand and cherry pick Louis of the Rocky fight, you would write a 75 page essay explaining why they are being dishonest and cherry picking.

    This is like saying Floyd Jumbo Cummings could hang with Tua of the Ibeabuchi fight since 229 Frazier was "bigger" than 226 Tua.

    It's not "hair splitting" if your information is carefully selected with false premises. And yes you have not only done similar leaps of logic before, you've literally made this exact comparison between Louis and Wilder before. You got called out, and now here you are months later repeating it AGAIN. Can you blame us for concluding you either have horrible memory or you're trolling?
     
  9. BlackCloud

    BlackCloud I detest the daily heavyweight threads Full Member

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    Not racist at all.
    A mere design fault when they left the factory.
     
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  10. Seamus

    Seamus Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    All these should be patently obvious points to the most casual, objective observer. Regardless, you stated them well and cogently. But you did so to an obstinate, willfully ignorant audience.

    As grandma used to say, Save your breath for cooling your tea.
     
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  11. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    No, I don’t think that is a satisfactory or truthful statement
     
  12. janitor

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    Marciano shouldn't need to push Wilder back.

    If Wilder had any sense, he would be moving back voluntarily, in order to create room, against a fighter with a style like Marciano.

    I think that we discovered a big gap in his game this weekend!

    OK probably a few, but this one particularly cries out to me!
     
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  13. barberboy2

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    It true you prat we are talking about 5% difference! When someone’s world class 5% difference in skill let alone weight is negligible!
     
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  14. BlackCloud

    BlackCloud I detest the daily heavyweight threads Full Member

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    Well, tbh, I don't really care what you think.

    You get booted, return and go on a crusade, upsetting other members.

    How long before you are gone again I wonder.
     
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  15. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    no I said weight. Was wilder around the weight of Old Joe Louis when he drew with Fury yes or no?

    all of Wilders fight consist of a win over Ortiz and a draw with Fury. That’s it.

    Certainly it was not Joe Louis’s prime but it was Joe Louis the 213-218lb legitimate #1 contender. Yes or no?
    Because it was not relevant. Marciano beat an active #1 contender who was 213lb when he fought him. And he was younger than George Foreman who was no less strong as an older fighter.

    sounds like an excuse to me.

    and got stopped?

    No it is not. Joe Frazier had not worked his way to legitimate number one contender position when he fought Jumbo. Louis had. Big difference.

    it is pure hair splitting tactic that has been entirely exposed.
     
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