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Marciano in your top 10.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by JohnThomas1, Nov 13, 2017 at 1:02 AM.



  1. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The One and Only Full Member

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    You mean top 100 or rather 110 (+3 - 4)? But around 80 or even 70 is it difficult to make it in the right order (for instance to place Tapia, Lynch and Wonjongkam) and not to forget someone (even between 60 and 70 I forgot recently maybe Harada and Walcott): I have to take about one hour to write it here. While I will at the moment exclude Rigondeaux, Gonzalez and maybe Bradley (possible Ward too), as something could come from them still
     
  2. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

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    I would like to his tox screen, I bet it is a longer list.
     
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  3. Eddie Ezzard

    Eddie Ezzard Active Member Full Member

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    Sorry my bad. He went out not beating a fat light heavyweight but a 40 something light heavyweight with over 100 fights on his clock and had to get off the canvas to do so.

    Either or. Neither makes impressive reading.
     
  4. ETM

    ETM Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Louis and Ali won more fights, held the crown longer, had 3 times as many successful titles defenses. In Ali`s case his opposition was much greater. Louis was about on par with Rocky`s opp but again he had the title 12 years and a record 25 defenses. Rocky did a lot and he retired smartly but I don't believe he has any valid argument as GOAT.
     
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  5. Eddie Ezzard

    Eddie Ezzard Active Member Full Member

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    To be honest JT, I don't rate him one iota. But I have been watching threads to see what I may have missed. Various gifs or short videos have been posted to show his skills but they have only served to reinforce my impression that he was not very good.

    One GIF (sorry Rez, these are all going to be yours. I've got a lot of time for your posts and videos but I just see things differently to you when it comes to Marciano. But I don't intend a personal pop at you.) purported to show an uppercut with 'perfect trajectory'. It missed. It was thrown from the outside and the arm ended up sailing straight over his own head. Another claimed to show his great speed but all I saw was him miss a punch and fall over. It was like watching a Three Stooges film. The recent threads showing relentless pressure vs Savold and his footwork against Louis were both very unimpressive to me. Slow and ponderous.

    As a great of the sport, he is an icon and as a poster boy for making the most of what he had, he may be without equal. But if pressed, I could think of a huge number of heavyweights who I would bet on against him. I think he came along in a post war dip in heavyweight talent and made the most of the opportunity. Fair play to him.

    There's a video of him training on youtube and watching him try to skip rope and take on the speed bag is hard to watch.

    I suppose, in answer to your question, I have no problem with those who say he is a top ten champion in terms of greatness but if that were to be defined by talent and real top drawer career victories, well, I don't know. Top 20? Maybe?
     
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  6. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You failed to mention Ali was arguably gifted a few of his defences i have both Ali and Louis ahead of Marciano but he's from their cloth without a doubt.
     
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  7. Eddie Ezzard

    Eddie Ezzard Active Member Full Member

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    Yes he won but I presented a list of caveats to set against the victory and you've just disregarded them by saying 'bla bla'. ****ell had been knocked out in one by Jim Slade so he put on 30lb of blubber which enabled him to go 9 with Marciano. Think about it.

    And Moore was a great undeniably but he was in his 40s and still able to make light heavyweight. Take your blinkers off and watch Tyson-Spinks. That's what happens when a great heavyweight fights a past prime (albeit ten years younger than Moore) light heavyweight.
     
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  8. The Kentucky Cobra

    The Kentucky Cobra Well-Known Member booted Full Member

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    38, not 40 something. You must be a young one, not surprised.

    188 is not a Light Heavyweight. Unless you also consider Maricano to be a Light Heavyweight since he weighed that as well.

    Yes, Moore had over 100 fights. 1 out of 3 facts right, is not terribly bad.

    There's really no way you can twist a win over the #1 Heavyweight Contender and All Time Great Pound 4 Pound fighter of equal weight, as a worse feat than being dominated and blasted out by a journeyman in the biggest upset of all time.
     
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  9. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well, according to the Floyd Mayweather thread, it all depends on how well his opponents did after he beat them.

    How many wins did Louis have after losing to Marciano? How many wins did Walcott have? How many wins did LaStarza have after he lost his title challenge? How many wins did Carmine Vingo have after he lost to Marciano?

    If we're rating Rocky using the same criteria some folks on here rate Floyd, not very high.
     
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  10. The Kentucky Cobra

    The Kentucky Cobra Well-Known Member booted Full Member

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    Moore was 38 and Maricano was 32.
    Spinks was 31 and Tyson was 21.

    Math really isn't your strong point?
     
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  11. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I also watched Tyson fight a past prime Cruiserweight, didn't end too well for him I'm afraid.
     
  12. Eddie Ezzard

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    Depends who you believe. His mum said he was born in 1913 making him nearly 42 when he fought Marciano. I;ll go with her rather than you, seeing as how she was there at the time.

    He was recognised as The Ring's light heavy champion as late as 1962, seven years after he fought Marciano. I take that to mean he was a light heavyweight when he fought in 1955. He just happened to weigh 188lbs.

    And yes he had over 100 fights. Struggling to see where I only score 1/3 facts right, to be honest. But thanks fr calling me young. Nicest thing anyone said to me all day.
     
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  13. Eddie Ezzard

    Eddie Ezzard Active Member Full Member

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    Marciano was prime when he fought Moore. Tyson had fought eight rounds in over 5 years when he fought Holyfield. Try and use a bit of context.
     
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  14. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He was prime yet retired the very next fight, try and use a bit of logic.
     
  15. Eddie Ezzard

    Eddie Ezzard Active Member Full Member

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    I see what you did there. Moore was a past prime light heavyweight not cruiserweight. 15lbs of difference. Still. Nice try.