Marciano of the Moore fight vs Foreman of the briggs fight

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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Because he's up against a 50 year old man.

    If you don't think prime Rocky beats a 50 year old man that's up to you.
     
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  2. Glass City Cobra

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    Foreman being 50 doesnt change the fact morrison, stewart, and briggs hit him with everything but the kitchen sink and decided to run when they realized they couldnt knock him out. Unless you think Marciano hit harder than all those guys...? (Who were also bigger and stronger than him).

    Foreman being 50 doesnt change the 13' reach advantage, 6' height advantage, or 70 pound weight advantag. Contrary to popular belief, Foreman had a lot of muscle and strong as am ox.

    Foreman being 50 doesnt change the fact he could still go 12 rounds no problem, or that going to war with him on the inside would be a suicidal game plan.

    Explain how the much smaller, shorter, marciano with a 67' reach gets inside in the first place?

    Holyfield was 50 against valuev and gave him a boxing lesson. Holmes was 42 against mercer and embarrased him. Hopkins was 40 something against shumenov and dropped him.

    Oh yeah and a 40 year old light heavyweight archie moore dropped your boy Rocky. Age is not a valid argument.
     
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  3. The Kentucky Cobra

    The Kentucky Cobra Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Ugh..Foreman may have edged Briggs in that fight, but Foreman looked like **** to be honest. He couldn't pull the trigger, was beyond slow, very inactive.... It shows you how awful Briggs truly was, that he couldn't do more here.

    I just don't see what you guys are seeing here.

    Anyway Briggs....love this video, the horror movie music is hilarious.

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  4. mcvey

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    Thats a point but a 40 years old one dropped and according to him dazed him and I don't think he could hit like even a 50 years old Foreman.
     
  5. lufcrazy

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    I didn't say Rocky hit harder.

    Of course it changes it.

    How does any smaller man ever get inside?

    Age is of course a valid argument. That version of Foreman has only one good win and that was Moorer. Not enough to favour him over Rocky in afraid.
     
  6. lufcrazy

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    Moore was and excellent fighter and much better than the Foreman in question.
     
  7. Glass City Cobra

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    You still havent explained how rocky gets past the telephone pole jab or "roughs foreman up" on the inside. This is pure comedy.
     
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  8. janitor

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    What Foreman accomplished in winning the lineal title at the age he did was incredible, bu8t that doesn’t take away from the fact that he was pushing 50.

    This version of Foreman was one of the worst fighters ever to hold the lineal title in a head to head sense.

    He almost invariably lost against ranked opposition, and was extremely lucky to come up against a champion with durability issues.

    This is ultimately a mismatch, and not in Foreman’s favour.
     
  9. THE BLADE 2

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    WTF is wrong with you people?

    foreman easily won against briggs.I had it 9-3
     
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  10. BCS8

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    Ummmmmm ... because ancient Foreman moved with the speed of continental drift, maybe?

    Rocky by that time had developed a mature style, he was not that easy to hit and moved a lot faster than the plodders Foreman had success with. Ancient Foreman would have a terrible time of it trying to land clean on Rocky, and even if he managed, Marciano had a great chin and greater recuperative powers.

    There's no way Foreman is going to outwork Marciano, and his best weapon would be his ramrod jab, which was effective even when he was as old as Noah. I'm sorry, I just don't see a 50 year old guy hold off a tiger like Marciano with a jab.

    I don't think Marciano can stop him, because Foreman was as tough as a boulder even in old age, but he would win a wide UD in my opinion.
     
  11. Wass1985

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    This one fight alone would answer most of the questions about a small HW and a SHW. Foreman was painfully slow and easy to hit, Marciano would bust him IMO. I don't care how good Foreman's chin was Marciano would test it bigtime.
     
  12. cleglue1

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    Okay.......old Foreman was not the most impressive title holder at that time, but he won! I had him beating Briggs which is impressive for his last fight. Put up at hell of a fight against Holyfield and Morrison!

    So Holyfield or Morrison couldn't put Big George away but Marciano will? What evidence do we have that states Marciano was more powerful than Holyfield or Morrison? Was he even a better boxer than Holyfield??
     
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  13. Wass1985

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    You do know there's a big difference between the Foreman that Holyfield beat and the one that lost to Briggs.....
     
  14. cleglue1

    cleglue1 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes 6 years but not much changed with Foreman except he slowed down some.
     
  15. Wass1985

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    So he did change then by slowing down a hell of a lot.....