Marciano of the Moore fight vs Foreman of the briggs fight

I don't think you know what non sequitur means or how it's usually applied. Dragons wear lip gloss in the winter to prevent pregnant cows from flying.

I'm making a point that Foreman is so slow, a fighter known to only pressure opponents was able to evade counter attacks by simply walking away from him. When looking to score, Morrison did so on the inside with his usual bob and weave tactics in most instances. It's a valid point in making a case for Marciano.

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I frankly don't get that criticism anyway, it's never used right.

2- Foreman is officially an inch taller with 2 inch wing span, hardly a drastic advantage over Louis. But you know what is a distract difference..37 years to 49 years.

Maricano carried a heavy enough blow to move 200 plus pound men, Foreman is going to feel it. Even then, why do you think peppering jabs are so effective, just getting a glove flicked in the nose or eye does not feel good, man.

Your statement of Morrison having near foot longer arms is wrong. Own up to the fact you don't know how those measurements work. You thought each one of Morrison's arms was actually 76 inches long. If Morrison had arms over 6 feet long..he might have been a better boxer if the genetic disease that caused such an abnormality didn't kill him first.

Half his age and below average fighter.

Way to nitpick the numbers....yeah, that percent claim is true but Holyfield outlanded Foreman by 167 punches according to the stats.

A short flat footed target that was always shifting his upper body, bobbing and weaving and coming in at odd angles. He didn't retreat much because he was excellent at getting into a range where his short arms and superior upper body movement are landing against an opponent who can't get full extension and ends up having to back up or hold.

 

Just going to post this again because it's hilarious. The Duke's masterful defensive foot work in full display.

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I don't know about you guys, but I don't think many heavyweights have the skill set and athleticism to duplicate that sweet science and evade Foreman like that.

 

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He looks like he's taking a sunday stroll through the park. Foreman looks like a hobo trying to cut him off and ask for change.

 

Marciano beats any version of comeback George.

Prime George "Fraziers' any version of Rocky.

 

You arent making any valid points here at all. Morrison and rocky were two different people. Show me rocky backing up and running from an opponent to win or stop bringing it up.

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And you are somehow enlightening me with the fact george fought flat footed? Had no idea. Its called cutting off the ring. All the best hitters knew how to do it, like golovkin. He isnt going to burn energy and chase morrison, and that very same gif shows him being in position to hit again. Watch the actual fight and dont, to use your words, "nitpick".

None of this is relevant because rocky never showed that.

You completely missed the point. Hes bigger than an old louis who kept him at bat for 8 rounds. Being in his 40's didnt stop him from landing his jab against every fighter he faced.

I dont think i need to explain to you that marciano isnt gonna be outjabbing foreman. WHEN did marciano ever outjab anyone? Who is this fanfiction version of rocky who danced, jabbed, and circled his way to victory with tight defense and counters?

You are playing with words just like azzer. You know good and well what i mean. I dont think his arms were literally a foot longer. When an anouncer says "so and so has an x inch reach advantage" we all know what he means.

Below average fighters win 2 belts, drop a lineal champ, and have the highest number of 1st round kos? Ok.

Try to keep up, ok? We were talking about the effevtiveness of foremans JAB. Thats why i brought up his % against a prime holyfield.

Now, ill use your line, will you admit you were wrong about him being too slow and unable to land his jab on any decent opponents?

1-you LITERALLY just described joe frazier. Look what happened to him.

2-first you claim rocky is this amazing jab and move defensively sound fighter, now youre coming back to reality and admitting he fought flat footed and never backed up?

3-lmao at rocky forcing foreman to back up. I sincerely hope you are joking if thats what you meant.

 

More or less what I think. Prime Foreman is a different animal, and one that matches up very badly for Marciano.

 

Try to keep up. We are talking about OLD Foreman, who was nothing like his prime version. The version that fought Frazier.

Although since you mention prime Foreman, it may be worth noting that Jimmy Young, a fighter with 18 losses and no punching power worth speaking of, who weighed 210lb, not only beat Foreman, but knocked him down as well.

It seems laughable to argue that Marciano, who hit exponentially harder, would have no effect on a 50 year old man.

Seriously?

 

Prime Qawi probably beats comeback Foreman.

 

I agree with that. I think Qawi could handle quite a few heavies

 

I will continue to bring up a very valid point.

No, you know very well why I showed that clip. You dismissed Marciano's lateral movement as flat footed, but here is Morrison literally walking flat footed across the ring to easily evade Foreman.

No real dramatic reach or height difference. And Louis was not a senior citizen.

You are the one that asked for examples..you didn't like that I provided them. Man up.

Not playing with words, holding you to your words.

Briggs only won 1 major world title.
He never dropped a lineal Champion..what the hell are you talking about?
Yeah, it's his gimmick, he fights absolute cans to get that record.

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Look at that another first round KO for the Cannon..whoop dee doo.

You used the total number of punches from the Briggs the Shulz fight, because you don't know the jab number, they aren't on boxrec. You aren't sure what point you are making.

He landed jabs on an upright Holyfield who was bulling inside and looking for a knockout.....roughly 7 years before the Foreman in question. And former 187 pound cruiser Holyfield survived to tell the tale. Foreman landed 100 jabs supposedly and Evander beat him all over the ring with short hooks on the inside.

Are we talking 49 year old Foreman of 1999 or the monster from the early 70s. You see no difference?

It's possible, Holyfield back him, Morrison backed him, Stewart backed him up....

 

I ask the moderator this. Since clearly you aren't going to ban the guy who called me a racial slur could you just close any thread about Marciano fighting a modern sized heavyweights? These stupid Marciano fans have to go.

Morrison was 6'2 220 pounds and Marciano was 5'10 180. One man was a heavyweight and the other one was a crusierweight. Did Marciano ever beat anybody who was considered a modern heavyweight period? So why the hell do you worthless people keep bringing up what Foreman did against heavyweights and then try to compare that to Marciano?

Marciano was almost knocked out by 177 pound light punching Lowry and lost the fight but clearly that would mean he could beat Foreman. You bring up Foreman suffering a heat stroke against Young. A 6'2 215 to 220 pound guy. Again he is 35 pounds heavier than Marciano and was a much better defensive fighter. Foreman struggled agianst Qawi? You mean Foreman dropped his hands right in from of him, allowed himself to be hit because he wasn't a threat and them moment his got serious and threw body punches and used his jab he made Qawi quit.

Then you see these stupid worthless waste of life Marciano fans use Holyfield a 6'2 205 pound guy who was on steroids, who was way faster and quicker than Marciano. Holyfield could move up to heavyweight because of his height. If Marciano could of weighed 200 plus pounds and been effective then why didn't he do it? Then even if he did move up what heavyweights did he fight who were Foreman's size?

No matter how many titles Shannon Briggs won , he was a 6'4 230 pound modern size heavyweight. That is like saying since Michael Grant never won a title and Marvin Hagler did and is consider one of the best middleweights in boxing history. That means he could beat Michael Grant even though Halger never fought a heavyweight. That is idiot Marciano fanboy logic.


George Foreman was liisted at 6'3 1/2 and 235 a amatuer. I don't know why his trainers drained him and got him down to 212 but the moment got rid of them he went back to being 230. That like somebody saying Wladimir Klitscko is a natural 220 pound because that is the weight he was when he turned pro. Or even Lennox Lewis was 220 pounds because he turned pro at 220. Mind you that both Wlad Lewis were in their 20s when they turned pro and as I said Foreman was listed 15 pounds heavier than them in his late teens. Foreman was 5 '1/2 taller than Marciano and 50 pounds heavier.

You will see this Marciano say well if Jimmy Young could knock Foreman ( even though he was down because he suffered a heat stroke) Then Marciano could do it. Clearly again stupid Marciano fanboy logic. Archie Moore a natural 160 pound fighte and Walcott a 190 pound fighter knocked Marciano down with one punch and as I said earlier Ted Lowry a 177 pound fighter toyed with Marciano and could of knocked him out when he wanted. [url]http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Fight:19970[/url] But Foreman couldn't knock him out?

Then idiot Maricano fans will try to justify this by saying well Foreman didn't knock out (insert a modern sized heavyweight) So he couldn't knock Marciano out. Yeah that is like saying since Lennox Lewis didn't knock out Zeljiko Mavrovic who never won a belt but was 6'3 220 pounds then Lewis couldn't knock out Bob Foster because he was considered one of the best light heavyweights of all time.

It absolutely hate Marciano fans, Tyson fans are bad, Pac fans are bad, Mayweather fans are bad but none of these people are as bad and make me hate them like I hate Marciano fans. Just a bunch of delusional racist white guys who live in their fantasy world still dreaming at that a 180 pound white guy could beat a modern sized black heavyweight. I never seen a Pac fan say he could Tommy Hearns , I never seen a Mayweather fan say he could beat guys like GGG. None of them are that stupid.

 

I just posted three of them, dipsh*t.

 

Your post comes across very racially aggressive.

How did you score the Lowry fight?

Marciano had no issues beating a shot to **** Louis so I've no doubt he'd have no issues beating a shot to **** Foreman.

If the weight bothers you so much let Marciano eat a few extra meals in training.

 

It would be valid if we were talking about morrison.

Foreman was not "chasing" tommy at top speed they were BOTH walking.

You must not have boxed before. It takes cardio to move away from and evade a fighter for 12 rounds.

-Marciano never avoided someone for 12 rounds to score a decision.

-therefore we DONT KNOW if he could pull off the same thing tommy did. Especially because in all 49 fights he never fought that way.

This is my last time addressing this. I know youre not an idiot, if you cant grasp this it means youre not trying to or trolling.

So even if i retract my statement youre going to bring it up again? Dont act like a woman.

The REALITY shows us and HISTORY shows us marciano couldnt get away from a washed up joe louis jab who was at the time weaker, shorter, and much lighter than foreman. These are FACTS. How you observe that and then come to the conclusion he could outjab foreman is beyond me.

None of this changes the fact rocky had a 67' reach, rarely used his jab, and he certainly never outjabbed any decent boxer to my knowledge. If you can provide an example of that i will concede that in a heart beat.

He dropped lennox. Again if you knew boxing youd know if a guy falls and the ropes keep him up it s a kd. If anything other than your feet touch the ground its a kd.

A "below average" fighter cant get pounded on by vitali klitachko for 12 rounds and live to tell the tale without going down.

And regardless of competition, scoring that many kos still takes talent, coordination, and power. Hes not on the level of say joe louis or tyson obviously but hes def not below average thats hilarious.

No, were not playing this game. You said gf would be too slow to land his jab on a short, flat footed no defense having rocky yet it landed on holy. You then said holy landed more overall...and...? Thats not what you were talking about. Changing the goal posts, zzz

This is uncanny. The bolded describes how marciano operated 90% of the time! I have news for you: bulling inside and trying to ko the opponent is exactly what rocky does and would do, which is why george would have no trouble landing a jab. Idk where youre getting this narrative rocky had the finesse of whittaker and fought at long range.

Youre also wrong, holy did plenty of moving and countering at mid range.

Every come forward fighter was demolished against gf, including when he was older. Qawi and cooper were destroyed, this would be no different.

You think joe would fare better against a bigger, smarter gf who had better stamina...???

Sure, just like its "possible" i could win the lotto.

All three of those men were bigger, stronger, taller, heavier, had more reach, 2/3 of them arguably hit way harder and proved it against modern heavies.

Gf came right back at them. He never backed down in any of his fights. Even when he was staggered and dropped twice by lyle he KEPT ATTACKING. WTF is puny rocky gonna do if he gets big george mad and actually manages to hurt him? Rocky was dropped in the 1st and 2nd round by old light heavyweights...! George didnt let anyone off the hook young or old.

 

No, it's valid because we are discussing George Foreman and his inability to catch Tommy Morrison.

What is top speed? Foreman spends most of the fight walking like that because he's a fat old man.

Marciano is usually recognized as having the greatest cardio of any fighter in history, to suggest a guy known for horrible cardio in Morrison has better stamina is just flat out ignorance.

NO must about it, you have not even shadow boxed. Marciano's style of constant movement and punch output is the most endurance draining way a boxer can approach a fight.

You didn't retract your statements because you are not a man or a woman, you are a *****.

Video shows us that Marciano did evade Joe Louis' jab.

I never said he would out jab Foreman. He wouldn't have to.

If you know anything about the English language "Dropped" does not mean what you think it means. And Lennox Lewis was not the lineal Champion in that bout.

Lots of below average fighters can take a beating from an arm punching old man.

Just when you think see it all you see a guy bigging up Shannon Briggs for knocking out cans and bashing Marciano in the same breath.

-Marciano's crouching stance and movement is better suited for evading jabs. Holyfield bounced right in front of Foreman at mid range, looking to work off his own jab.

-Holyfield landed 347 power shots at a 65% rate on Foreman. Foreman's 54% jab connect rate means nothing, he did not keep his man at bay. Holyfield got inside regularly where he threw and landed what he wanted.

No Foreman would have trouble landing the jab as most of Rocky's opponents clearly did.

Where are you getting this narrative from?

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A fatter, slower, Foreman who had to conserve his stamina. YES!!!!



Sure, just like its "possible" i could win the lotto.

Maricano is a greater heavyweight than 2/3 of them and arguably greater than 1 of them.

You keep going back to early 70s Foreman for examples. We are talking a difference of over 20 years.