Marciano of the Moore fight vs Foreman of the briggs fight

I'd say that you covered the bases there!

 

Are these guys brain-dead or what? The Foreman that beat Qawi and Cooper was a completely different animal to the one that fought Briggs.....

 

Morrison fought parts of the Ruddock fight on the back foot,Mongoose you're full of it!

 

Lyle and Frazier has been brought into the argument by this guy.

And yes, Qawi and Cooper were like 9 years before that Briggs farce.

Cooper was coked out of his mind in the Foreman fight and quit without injury, his purse was withheld. Foreman didn't destroy anything.

Qawi was pretty washed up at 35, carrying 222 pounds on his 5'7" frame after just weighing 190 lbs 4 months prior. He actually lasted 7 rounds marching forward with minimal movement and trading with Foreman. It wasn't until he was completely gassed, visibly arm weary and breathing from his mouth that he quit. Foreman couldn't move this guy....destroyed, my ass.

Qawi fight gives me reason to believe, Maricano would probably beat any version of Old George. So would Frazier.

 

Washed up, yet 3 months before ,when he fought Holyfield, he was the IBF's number one ranked cruiserweight contender?

 

Indeed. Dwight fought for another 10 years and 18 fights after Foreman and was never stopped again. its also worth mentioning that Foreman was still in the process of reinventing himself in early 1988. Not only was he shaking off the rust of a 10 year layoff but also had to learn how to fight old and was getting acclimated to a different style.

 

What is your point?

Doesn't matter. The claim he destroyed Qawi is incredibly inaccurate. It was a competitive bout until Qawi punched himself out.

I think this fight is probably the best equipped old Foreman was for handling pressure fighters. He had the cross armed finally down at this point, he was a fit 235 and active. I thinks version beats Morrison convincingly.

What is older Foreman going to do better against this kind of pressure? Give up even more rounds and hope a right hand will bail him out?

 

His point Mongoose is that once again you wildly exaggerate!

 

Who says Marciano had," the greatest cardio in history ,"apart from you ?Show us some quotes to that effect.
Greater cardio than Harry Greb? Henry Armstrong? What a crock!
"I couldn't avoid his jabs I just had to take them." Rocky Marciano discussing the Louis fight!

 

That maybe he wasn't as shot as some have claimed.

 

I'm not claiming that Foreman "destroyed" Dwight Muhammad Qawi. But that maybe there are "reasons" why Dwight was able to hang around a while. get my drift? And while I agree that the Foreman of 1997 was ancient and at the end of his rope I don't think its a given Rocky would win. The Morrison fight isn't a valid comparison. Tommy was using the ring and fighting on the outside more which wasn't his typical MO and it was NEVER Rocky's at any point. Additionally, Morrison was 6'2" not 5'10" and had more reach than Marciano which helped him to achieve some of this. Marciano was somewhat easy to hit and was dropped by Archie Moore in 1956 who by that point wasn't exactly the poster boy for speed.

 

i totally get the argument for Marciano.

it probably is the right pick tbh.

gonna take foreman to stop him tho. Marciano had head movement, but he didn't always use it and I don't think he's stopping George in single figures.

 

He wasn't exactly in peak condition. He was 32 pounds heavier than when he fought Holyfield just 4 months prior. That's a massive weight gain for an older man that looked to mostly be in his gut.

So what he was never stopped again? He never showed up that heavy again and gassed out, nor did he ever win a meaningful match again, he gracefully bailed out with some losses to cruiser contenders and with one decent win over Big Foot.

 

Not saying he was prime or in " peak condition." He clearly wasn't. But he appeared to be a pretty live opponent. And George wouldn't reach the peak of his comeback until around 1990 in my opinion.

 

No but the post you are quoting was a tailored response to someone that made such a claim.

Yeah, Foreman even at a fit 235 was slow as a snail and a tough old cruiser with a 20 pound gut was able to get inside his reach and be competitive.

Did he really fight on the outside? Morrison used "movement" that was not of a very advanced nature to evade Foreman when he needed a break.

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But Morrison actually won this fight on this inside. Because he still had short arms and needed to get close and land punches inside Foreman's reach. And he did this with bobbing and weaving. His head is in Foreman's chest when he lands this right hand.

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Morrison still had to crouch and get inside to land as shown above.

Moore was faster, smarter, and sharper than Foreman. He timed a 33 year old Marciano, who after being rocked, used defense to evade the quicker attacking Moore for a full minute. Moore, an accurate puncher, probably misses 15 straight punches in this sequence.

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Easy to hit?