Marciano of the Moore fight vs Foreman of the briggs fight

I suppose you could argue "shot" was a strong word, we could say older and in less than stellar condition, given this is a 5'7" 35 year old having to pack on weight in a short time to comfortably be over 200. I think a 190 pound Qawi even in his late 30s would have done better, since he gassed after 6 rounds due to all that weight no doubt.

Hard to say. I think comeback Foreman physically was at his best here at 235 against Qwai. And while he gained lots of weight by 1990, he was at his best as far as getting the most out of his attributes. And he's just going to match up better against certain types of boxers regardless.

 

7 pages later and this thread is still kicking. A bunch of worthless Marciano fans still trying to justify their hero winning. A bunch of brain dead Marciano fans trying to justify that because a 225 to 230 pound heavyweight like Morrison and Briggs could go 12 with Foreman then it must mean a 5'10 180 pound fighter could do it. This is like saying since Tyson couldn't knock out 6'5 240 pound Lewis so that means he couldn't knock out 6'3 175 pound Bob Foster.

The same stupid Marciano fans who have no answer to why in 2 fights Marciano couldn't hurt 180 pound club fighter Ted Lowry or even beat Lowry in their first fight. Marciano's chin again 177 pound fighters was so great that Lowry almost knocked him out. That Archie Moore a blown up 160 pound fighter who was pushing 50 was able to knock down Marciano with a grazing punch. Jersey Joe Walcott a 190 pound fighter who had 30kos in his 50 wins and was pushing 50 was able to knock down Marciano with one punch. But clearly Marciano could a 180 pound cruiserweight could take the 6'3 250 pound George Foreman's punches.

Just close this stupid thread already McGrain.

 

Actually Foreman was 260lb by that time. A giant mass moving like a glacier, slow enough to grow moss, ferns and trees on. Marciano would look like friggin RJJ against him. He'd use him for a heavy bag the whole night long. He'd look like Harry Greb, he'd land so many shots on him. People would be crying softly by the ringside, wondering for how long the ref was going to let grandpa get beat up for.

 

And then years later, we would have these same posters talking about how Maricano beat a shot overweight one handed 49 year old.

And Marciano still didn't prove he could take a super heavy punch since Foreman couldn't hurt blown up old light heavyweight Qawi or blown up 168 pound Holyfield.

 

Is that how you honestly sum up his punching ability?

 

I think we're getting into the spirit of the "blackhercules" hyperbole

 

Actually thanks to this thread I rewatched Briggs / Foreman. Foreman won that fight imo. I could have sworn Briggs was better than that.

 

Why not? It's how Maricano is often summed up. And if Foreman was a Marciano victim that's how he would be summed up.

 

Watched the highlights of Marciano / Moore. Rocky still had it. He was still a tiger. Crowding Moore, throwing nonstop, slipping the return fire and crouching and weaving low to make himself a hard target to hit.

However, leaving hyperbole aside for a moment, it seems to me that grandpa Foreman could still have a decent chance of a win if he fought a fight like Wlad. Try land the jab when Marciano comes in, and then tie him up and lean on his back when Rocky is pushing against him. Even a supremely conditioned guy like Marciano would wilt if leaned on for 12 rounds by a dude as big as Foreman. Of course, this is assuming the ref allows this.

 

Oh yeah, he probably would be.

"Foreman ... completely shot ... slow as molasses in winter ... overweight from all the burgers ... he should have been playing tictactoe with his grandkids ... only threw one jab at a time ... no punching power left ... disgraceful fight, can't believe they made it ... "

 

-"foreman's jab too slow"

Foreman landed hundreds of jabs on briggs and he had no trouble landing them on a much faster, more technical holyfield previously.

Rocky couldnt get away from a washed up louis jab

-"morrison could evade foreman and use lateral movement and a jab"

WHEN did rocky use lateral movement and a jab to win a fight?

-"rocky would get inside and attack foremans body, he could force him to back up"

Ok lol, hes going to make a guy bigger, stronger, and having a 70 pound weight advantage back up.

-"you make too much of a big deal about reach, i dont think you understand how those measurements work"

67' reach is still 67' reach. Rocky is still 5'10.

-"foreman walked too slow"

Rocky would have been right in front of him, as he was in all 49 fights. WHY would i assume hed fight different?

-"but rocky's chin tho...his heart..."

How does a cruiserweight who constantly attacked, had weak defense, short arms, cut easily, was dropped by old light heavyweights survive a barrage from foreman?

^just a handful of some of the ******ed arguments presented in this thread. Im done.

 

I think that his power was as good as ever, but his reflexes were such that people managed to roll with it.

Perhaps not unlike the Louis that Marciano fought?

 

This is just a sad post. You want to desperately have the last word because you think that will win the argument but you can't reply to the actual points being made, so you make up your own arguments and respond to them. Good for you, doesn't change the fact you can't counter anything I brought up.

 

That's true. By 1997 Foreman hadn't stopped an opponent in a few years. More guys were taking him the distance including ones who weren't terribly durable. He was getting dangerously close to 50 at this point.

 

Briggs had absolutely no movement or defence at all against Foreman. He made Pierre Coetzer seem like Floyd Mayweather. Briggs was literally just standing there and eating everything Foreman threw at him. I've seen heavy bags with better defence.

Louis' jab is an ATG weapon. He'd literally reeled off about 8 wins in a row where it featured prominently.

I strongly suggest that you watch Marciano / Moore.

Rocky was a very elusive target in that one, and he made Archie, who is twice the boxer Foreman is, miss repeatedly and whiff air half the night.

Foreman is going to need much more than a jab to keep Marciano off him.