Marciano on a comeback and Ali

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by CharlesBurley, Sep 19, 2020.

  1. CharlesBurley

    CharlesBurley Well-Known Member banned Full Member

    Feb 23, 2020
  2. vast

    vast Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Nov 27, 2010
  3. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

    Aug 15, 2018
    It’s a shame we couldn’t see what their relationship would have been after they filmed computer fight. Marciano died shortly after filming. They even talked of doing speeches together. From most accounts of those that were there said they gained a mutual
    Respect for each other after
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  4. Seamus

    Seamus Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Feb 11, 2005
    The Rock was a real mensch. If he were a total knucklehead he still would have been a great fighter. But in interviews he comes across as a real respectful, thoughtful and articulate guy. And he didn't have to be. He was a bad ass who could have carved his path thru life based on intimidation and accompishment. Just my thoughts....
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  5. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

    Jul 2, 2006
    I have seen this before. Rock was quite old fashioned. Ali rightfully refused the draft. I also don't understand why they keep referring to him as Cassius Clay.
  6. WAR01

    WAR01 In the 7.2% Full Member

    Aug 19, 2019
    To disrespect him obviously.
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  7. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Addict Full Member

    Nov 22, 2014
    You have to remember that Ali was still very young at the time and had a reputation for doing things for shock value, so even people, who respected his ability such as Joe Louis and Marciano weren’t going to quickly embrace his name change or conversion to Islam.

    Also, a lot oldtimers in the fight game thought Ali was attracting the wrong type of attention for both boxing and himself by putting as much focus on his religion as he did.

    There used to be a video on YouTube with Marciano being interviewed and going into a little bit more detail on why he thought Ali should’ve been more discrete about his religion and political views while being the world champ and he subtly hinted that Ali would face retaliation from some of the behind the scenes politicians in boxing, which Ali later did.
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  8. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jan 3, 2007
    Rocky Marciano was an intelligent man and a class gentleman. A credit to past heavyweight champions
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  9. willcross

    willcross Well-Known Member Full Member

    Jun 11, 2006
    I agree. I'm only 34 but I imagine young Ali was seen almost like a Kanye West figure in the 60s. The name change was probably viewed as blatant attention seeking behavior and most respectable people refused to indulge in his games.

    That turned out to not be the case, but that could have been the way it was seen at the time.
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  10. Fergy

    Fergy Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Jan 8, 2017
    I think quite a few carried on calling him clay. Some because they probably forgot and some, as War01 mentioned, as a way of getting at him via insult
    Henry Cooper kept doing it but not sure he'd do that out of malice.