Marciano on Alis refusal to go to war. Full Letter.

i am an idiot ?? probably you need to underrstand what i write..
i never said we are not gratefull for the liberation by the usa.. what i can't stand is that because of that you liberated us that everything you people do is okay ??
mr. bienstock wrote in earlier threads regarding this subject that ali had to defend his country like other people on wich i replied that vietnam was an internal conflict in wich the usa had no business.
and that there is a difference at defending you're country or fighting in a war where you are the agressor.
then he wrote that the usa had to stop communisme and fascisme. to wich i replied that the usa is very picky in wich dictators they fight.(only if it fits there agenda)
i am not taking anything away from the usa liberating us. but the fact that usa fighting the nazis or communisme or whatever doesn't justify everything they did and why can't i be critic ?? only because of the fact they freed some 70 years ago ??
that's all.
i mean everyone has a right to their opinions but if you're country is not in direct danger and is fighting a war against a small country thousands of miles away you can't say if someone doesn't go in the army that he has to defend his country.

and last but not least. several people called me (and i quote) vermin, an idiot, a fan of adolf hitler and so on and so on
well i tryed to stay civlized cause everyone has a right to a opinion and as soon as someone has an different opinion i don't call them names.
but it is very heroic to call someone names from behind a computer.

 

I doubt he would have came back in a bodybag. With him being a celebrity that makes alot of rich people even richer they would have protected him. He would have been a base chef, intelligence guy, or stationed on a ship.

As for the NOI they are the black KKK. No respect for them.

 

Burt, I'm not going to quote every post of yours, but I agree with what you have stated and am extremely appreciative of all of the US servicemen, despite the cause of the fighting. Unfortunately my generation (teenagers) show less and less respect for those who have made major contributions for our country.

In my homeroom in school there are two girls who refuse to stand up for our pledge yet claim to be patriotic. Pisses me off to know. They have been confronted numerous times about it but it hasn't done a bit of good.

 

It is very unlikely he was going to be doing any fighting against the vietnamese. He would have been doing exhibitions and entertained the troops.

 

Bill, I thank you, my generation thanks you,and many friends of mine no longer able to thank you,would feel there is still some love of the USA, would appreciate your setiments.:good:good:good

 

I can defend our contributions in the Big One, Stevie.

Modern day, things are a little bit more hazy. We're not using our military solely as an object of national defense and international aid anymore. Things are getting a bit political, and I would think therein your answer lies.

Take a look at what is happening in Libya, and compare how the EU is handling things to how the US is. Look at France, even. When you don't have a black and white enemy, action is gonna always be an iffy thing to take.

Still, God bless the US military, who is actually doing a fine job in keeping amateur boxing alive for some folks. The Armed Forces boxing teams supply a good amount of journeyman pros at all levels. Next time you see a hot prospect getting severely tested by a journeyman fighter who speaks American English, do some research on that guy. You'd be SHOCKED how many times "boxed in the Army, Navy, AF" etc. turns up.

 

Burt, I was only speaking about the particular debate we are having. I dont mean to claim to know your thoughts/life/beliefs. In fact if you look a few pages back, you used the same exact expression word for word quoting someone else. I didnt perceive it as being racist, and I'm not being racist here either. I was just talking about this particular topic in which we both expressed our opinions. I could see how my comment could come off as offensive. It was not my intention, and I apologize.

I do have a lot of respect for you Burt. Your one of my favorite posters on this website. I also happen to have a lot of respect for Muhammad Ali, who is a family friend. And these are big insinuations you are making about his character. That he was wrong for following his beliefs, had ulterior motives, etc.

I understand it's a boxing forum where criticisms about boxers are welcome. But I also have a right to defend those very same boxers.



And if you thought I was bad mouthing your beliefs or way of life in my post that you quoted, then maybe you finally have a taste of what Ali went through every day.

He's a man, Burt, just like you. Who was very conscious and aware of every major decision he made in life.

 

Rez, and I feel the same about you. You have an innate fairness and
understanding you project,and loyalty,for sure that is admirable. Keep it up.
As for Ali,i felt he made a youthful choice that was not wise so many years ago. We all make unwise decisions. I have also a sentimental feeling for Ali, for I am one of a few still kicking today, who saw Clay [Ali] in MSG in 1959-60 win the Golden Gloves finals from Aussie Tony Madigan, and later in March
1971,at MSG in the FOTC,against Joe Frazier, a night i can never forget. Ali
was brave and charismatic, of that there is no doubt.Cheers to you R.:good

 

explains a lot.

indeed.

i think you guys should stick to talking about boxing. you're embarrassing yourselves.

 

G,at least I can hold my head up high. I love boxing.It's in my blood since being a toddler, but i LOVE my country first. Cheers...

 

vietnam was, is, and always will be bull****. refusing to do that was the best thing ali's really ever done as far as i'm concerned.

 

nice rocky was the main man imho

 

america is one of the best countries in the world burt, you have every right to love it! the country ranks very highly on my all-time great list, comfortably in the top five, which is a remarkable achievement considering its youth.

 

Great response Burt


You always know how to reply with class

Cheers