Marciano v Cockell.Commentator Marciano

lmao the stupidity. Fail to KO one guy when you’re still green is supposed to be a mark on your record. And yes even w 21 fights he was still green. He had no amateur career practically. And oh yeah he won the fight despite one reporters opinion (I’m going to give you a secret....reporters aren’t always right shhhh. He was no where near the caliber of fighter he became at that point in his career and you know this yet you’re being dishonest about it. Amazing how you can beat 3 top 25 ATG p4p men and be called a “tomato can”.

 

I think using the word “bum” or “tomato can” to describe an unbeaten champion is ludicrous in the extreme.

 

what does lightheavyweight have to do with it when Rocky was only 180 or so himself? Wasn’t Peralta a lot lighter than George Foreman? Tillis was not rated when he fought Tyson. He was losing to Marvin Frazier and Tyrell Biggs by then.

yes actually one of the judges thought Sonny lost the second fight with Summerlin. I don’t know why you think Summerlin was rated before he fought Sonny, Summerlin did not fight at all in 1953. He fought Sonny in 1954 after two quick wins over an obscure guy called Oscar pharo. In 1952 the last active year Summerlin fought before 1954 Johnny had drew with a rank novice called bob Johnson who only won one more fight in the next 8 years.

I would be very surprised two wins over Oscar Pharo put Summerlin in the ratings or that he registered a ranking the year he was entirely absent from the ring having drawn the previous year to a 4 fight loser?

I merely present George and Sonny as examples of great fighters who had similar difficulties at learning parts of their careers. I could include Joe Louis, Lennox Lewis, Muhammad Ali, Jack Dempsey or just about any other great heavyweight champion you care to suggest.

 

Last I checked Marciano won that fight. Despite the one reporters cry’s. Secondly I never mentioned Foreman or Liston or Peralta you’re mixing up your arguments. Thirdly I was talking to that fool farooq not you.

 

The trifecta, Don Cockell, Gerry Cooney and Dick Tiger

Edit: you can say Cooney now :huh:

 

Answer me one question if you will? Was Rocky even close to the same fighter later in his career as he was in his 21 fight? If you answer it honestly you’ll realize how absurd this argument is as a boxing efficianado I’m sure you’re aware sometimes styles make fights and sometimes lesser fighters can make better fighters look bad. Why harp on one fight of 49 when the individual was OBVIOUSLY green. Truth is you really have nothing to knock Rocky down a few pegs other then his competition which he destroyed with the exception of Walcott in the first fight. And a close but not so close decision to Charles whom he knocked out in the rematch. You can only knock the individual for winning so you’re trying to pick at nonsense that EVERY great fighter ever has literally gone through. Some one stop the press Marciano had a close fight early in his career!

 

I think it would be fair to describe Marciano as an attrition puncher with one-punch kayo power. He kayoed Walcott with one punch twice. The first time was after 12-plus rounds of attrition punching, and the second time was a full-fledged one-punch kayo. One-punch knockouts are often, or maybe even usually, combined with attrition punching. It usually takes a few rounds of combat for one fighter to slow down enough or, I should say, to be slowed down enough for the other fighter to land the one punch. Marciano showed that under the right circumstances, he could do it either way.

His attrition fights (at least the ones we can look at on film) were against Savold, LaStarza, Cockell, Moore, Vingo and Charles II. I think Walcott II, and Layne could be considered attrition fights with one-punch endings. Walcott II was just a one-punch ending. I would classify the Matthews fight in the category of a one-punch ending, due to its suddenness, even though it admittedly was a left-jab, double-left-hook combination. Arguably, though, the beautiful right-to-the-body, left-hook-to-the-head, left-hook-to-the-body combination that ended the first round softened up Matthews for the second round. It at least gave him something to think about as the second round opened.

 

Summerlin could not possibly have been legitimately ranked at that time.

 

But Liston did not fight him in 1955. Am I missing something here? Didn’t you say Summerlin was rated when he took Sonny to a split decision?

In 1953 Summerlin was entirely absent from ring activity. His last fight of 1952 was a draw against a man with just 5 fights experience called Bobby Johnson. 1954 Summerlin made a comeback against an obscure guy called Oscar Pharo then his next opponent was Sonny Liston. Pharo was the last guy Summerlin fought since a draw in 1952. Who the hell is Oscar Pharo?

So Sonny got a split decision over a guy who drew to a five fight novice called Bob Johnson who Embrell Davison snuffed out in 3 rounds.