marciano v moore, has anyone seen the unedited rocky knock down?

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  1. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Most people may not realise that most versions of this fight are edited at the point marciano gets up and walks to the corner then it cuts to an exchange moments before the bell. Archie moore used this as an excuse to say kesler gave rocky a snatch to wake him up and a long long count.

    One time I saw the full version and this was not true. Moore got no extra time. I read moores claims in his book and wanted to review the moment. however, i cannot find this version for love nor money as most clips are eddited for some crazy reson.

    Has anyone got the full version? does anyone know why the most popular clips of this fight are edited in this way?:think
     
  2. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    There is no edited version. Marciano gets up and walks to the ropes for a second and then turns and gets his gloves wiped and ready for action. I have the fight from two different commentators. Moore was just sour and always a salesman about things. This is something he just kept lauding about. Moore claims that the ref pulled Rocky's gloves toward him to shake him up. It's really a pretty baseless claim.
     
  3. Boxed Ears

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    Yeah, but I think he really must have believed it because he was extremely bitter about it and even supposedly told Foreman that he regretted holding such a grudge with the ref when the ref passed away. Something like that anyway.
     
  4. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    He probably believed it. As an athlete, he probably convinced himself. Don't underestimate the power of denial. He just got beat.

    That was on Marciano's ringside. Foreman was like "See. We where there!"
     
  5. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piw_ZD86f9E[/ame]the clips on you tube show the knockdown. marciano going to the corner then the "slow mo" is shown then when compleat the action resumes they are already exchanging blows. I cant find a version of the full round. I want to see events as it hapened with the count and the two meeting in the center after the knockdown.
     
  6. OBCboxer

    OBCboxer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Never heard that little story before. Like the avatar by the way.
     
  7. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    This isn't the official version. Clearly a highlight version. You can see the ref approach Marciano to wipe his gloves off. I have 2 versions, none which show the replay and than the fight. A replay in the middle of a fight should indicate it's probably not an official version.
     
  8. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I guess it was Archie moment to shine. It was a well timed and powerful punch with all of Archie lower body into it,and Rocky was a bit off balance but Rocky jumped up pretty fresh and ready and did not appear the least bit shakey. It was all down hill for Archie after that point but Archie also showed a lot of heart and he did so after a dreadful beating. The heavyweight championship (only one per division)
     
  9. Dempsey1238

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    The knockdown was not edit in the theater film, the Marciano commantary is other story. But Rocky was cutting spots out for his 20 min tv show at the time, so stuff had to be left out.


    No fast count or edit in the theater version. Espn airs the theater version from time to time, the only edit I notice there is the 9th round final knockdown.
     
  10. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    the problem for people who only see this more popular hilight is the "slo mo" interupts the action and gives weight to archies story since moments are missing. I have seen the the real one a long time ago but just cant find it.
     
  11. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Was the round edited? the best way to know for sure is to time it yourself. If you come out with 2 minutes and 30 seconds instead of three minutes, something was edited out of your film.

    Boxing films have been edited before. I do not believe Marciano got a long count vs. Moore, but there's not doubt Marciano was sloppy, and even became arm weary at one point of the fight.
     
  12. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    yes the hilight version of the fight edits out the moment the action resumes whilst a "slo mo" is shown of archie knocking marciano down. there is a full version knocking around but this is rare.
    some lazy jouralists give credence to moores bull**** about kesler giving a snatch to wake marciano up and a long count because this is ALWAYS missing from the most popular hi light versions. This did not hapen.
     
  13. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Yes, no doubt. I took it he was arm weary when he never stopped throwing punches. :lol:

    At least Vitali throws punches but always looks tired with his mouth gaping. It's like he doesn't know how to breathe.
     
  14. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    I have the fight which doesn't edit this part out. I have 2 versions of this fight. It's not rare at all. There is no long count. This is myth based on nothing, not even exaggeration (Like Cooper talking about Ali getting a new glove when he really got only 5 seconds extra).

    Should I upload it to prove it? I don't really feel like it...
     
  15. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    it will put me out of my misery...:yep