marciano v moore, has anyone seen the unedited rocky knock down?

I saw the 2nd round in a Marciano documentary when I was a kid in the late 60's to early 70's. The ref led Marciano to the middle of the ropes away from the side of the ring he was knocked down on. He then went to Marciano's left, and argued with Marciano's corner (for no reason) against those ropes. Marciano was glassy eyed, and wobbly. The ref looked over his shoulder at Marciano, and he was still glassy eyed after 20-30 secs. He went back to arguing with the corner for another 20-30 secs then Marciano's eyes cleared, and he stopped wobbling. The ref went to Marciano touched his gloves, and the fight resumed. Moore was not lying or mistaken etc. What he has said is the absolute truth. The round has been edited on all the internet videos I have seen. I remember this like I saw it yesterday!

 

No one so far seems to know why Marciano went to the ropes when he got up .I do.:good

 

To the OP and the original question--yes, I have seen the uncut version. There is a kinescope tape of the theatre TV feed of the bout which was shown on ESPN and is currently on youtube. The total bout runs about 38 minutes with the original commentary and sound. One can hear the timekeeper counting for the knockdowns.

The 2nd round begins at 7:13 and ends at 10:13, exactly 3 minutes. The tape is obviously from one camera and there are no cuts or apparent editing.

Moore hits Marciano with his right and drops him at 7:40. Marciano goes to his knees but rises almost immediately. He is on his feet by 7:42. He steps to the ropes and turns and nods in the direction of his corner at 7:43. The referee DOES NOT CLEAN HIS GLOVES AT ALL and waves him back to the fight at 7:44.

Moore had retreated on his way to a neutral corner, but never got there as Marciano rose so quickly. Moore was actually standing by the side ropes.

Moore begins moving toward Marciano, and Marciano begins moving toward Moore. They meet at center ring. Moore throws a hellacious uppercut which Marciano avoids or which just misses at 7:46. a total of six seconds after the knockdown.

I did a bit of on-line research and found that Kessler wrote an autobiography and was quoted from it as saying he did not wipe Marciano's gloves because the ring was still clean of resin. Whatever, the kinescope shows that he did not wipe Marciano's gloves. Moore was behind Kessler and might not have been able to see what was happening.

Bottom line--a knockdown and being waved back into action in four seconds seems to be as fast as it could possibly go to me. The timekeeper can be heard on the soundtrack with the count and Marciano is on his feet at "two" and being waved back into action at "four"

*My take watching it, with the only view from one side of the ring, is that it was a flash knockdown and Marciano never seems badly hurt. He defends himself well when he and Moore come together six seconds after the knockdown.

**as for 30 or 60 second delays--well, post a ringside report about that. No one noticed? Such a memory merely shows how unreliable forty or fifty year old memories are.

***I watched this tape several times yesterday and today for this post.

 

:good good work

 

No one yet picked up on why Marciano went to the ropes on arising?

 

Man, Marciano was just awful. His style worked when he was the same size or bigger than his opponents. But he never jabbed his way in. He'd just jump in with wide hooks, and since everyone was around the same size, it didn't matter as much. And he hit so hard he'd win.

But the big heavyweights with good jabs who came after him would've mopped the floor with Rocky. He never would've even been competitive.

 

Marciano told Peter Wilson of the Daily Mirror he was under the impression he was entitiled to a compulsory 8 count, forgetting that rule was waved for title fights.

 

Unconventional works when you're looking a guy in the eye and always in punching range.

When you're staring at a guy's navel and giving up a foot in reach, forget it.

Sometimes timing is everything. Rocky came up at the absolute perfect time.

 

problem was Baker and Valdes were eliminated and size was not really a big thing back then but I agree it would have been a bonus. Louis was about 6'1.5 and he dominated the big guys, Walcott and Charles and Moore and Johnson beat a few of them as well. Moore was considered the crafty danger....too bad Valdes lost to the 5'10 Satterfield and Baker to Moore and Bob S., Valdes would have been # 50 for Rocky but was beaten badly by Bob Satterfield...It would have been a nice bonus

 

Bummy Box Rec has Satterfield at 6'2". Rocky beats Valdes and Baker , but it would have been nice to have those names on his belt.