Marciano v.s. Bruno ?

Charles was the #1 ranked Ring Magazine contender going into the fight, and justifiably so in my opinion.

That has to count for something, even if he did go into the tank afterwards.

 

Im franklin brunos biggest fan.....he isnt in the same league as rocky....not even close

No offence but the decapitating comment isnt very appropriate.im guessing you didnt know rocky was decapitated in the plane crash..

Anyway rocky knocks bruno out in 3... just too much pressure and unusual angles for franklin to cope with.....bruno liked to get set...and theres no getting set with an animal like marciano....franklin was a masterful boxer puncher in his own way...but his punch power has become so overrated in the internet era its unreal....right up there with the bowe of holy 1 beating any hw in history.....coetzee and carl williams are his two biggesr knockouts.......he didnt "rock" lewis or witherspoon,or smith for that matter... hell he didnt put a fingernail in mccall...yes mccall is one of the greatest hw chins of the last 30 years ...but if bruno is this murderous powerpuncher youd think he would have put a dent with all the shots he lande

There just isnt the body of evidence to suggest he was a murderous puncher as is too often alleged....if he had a one punch kayo over a tubbs or tommy morrison, a couple of impressive kos over a tyrell Biggs or two...a du plooy and weaver or snipes here or there id buy it ...but he didnt....id suggest he was a good puncher a la alex stewart and gary mason...

 

Yes, I'm pretty sure you are referring to his first fights with Maxim.

I look it at as how amazing Charles was as a MW and LHW. That he could defeat quality fighters that were 20 pounds heavier, often by stoppage or KO.

That's why he is a pound for pound great. Charles netted critical wins against men 20+ pounds heavier from MW (Maxim) to LHW (Rey) to HW (Louis & Baksi).

 

this is the KNOCKOUT. Great post. Great facts. Great job. Will be COMPLETELY ignored by Bruno ball lickers.

 

My only comment is that the massive, hulking and roided up Bruno is a mighty big hill to climb for a 5 ft 10, 185 lb attacking fighter with a 69 inch reach like Rocky. The Rock was incredibly tough, well conditioned and brave but the fighters he won and defended the heavyweight crown against were all small by modern heavyweight standards or well past their best ( except perhaps for Walcott who may have been a bit past his best but was still pretty much near his prime, even if Louis had kayoed him a few years previously ).

Every fighter who beat Bruno was large and very powerful. Bonecrusher Smith was a giant of a man, Witherspoon, Tyson and Lewis were all modern 215 plus pound fighters and very talented ones at that. Witherspoon may have been in bad shape but he had a lot of talent and an overhand right like a bomb.

Rocky made his career by wearing down smallish ( and or middle aged ) heavyweights with non stop pressure. I dont know how well that tactic would work against a 6 ft 3 220 pound monster with good power like Bruno.

It's not like Rocky every fought anyone like that. Rocky has all the mental advantages in this fight but the physical ones he would have to overcome are pretty steep.

Cheers All n a very Happy New Year to the membership.

 

That first 100 fights does not tell the full story. It sounds like a lot but there was a three year gap during the war. His career ended at 34 fights. It took three years to have those 34 fights and three years to get over them.

Against Rocky, Charles was 55-7 into a new career since the war and that short three year career before that three year absence.

 

The Joe Louis Rocky beat was better than Frank Bruno.

 

Sorry, you don't roll back the odometer on ring wear, no matter how long you take off. Each fighter only has so many fights, so many punches to take and so many wars in him.

 

Harry Greb?

 

"The Wildest Tiger" would leave the corner and fly into Bruno like the Cartoon Tasmanian Devil, duck the jab, angle past the "huuuuuuuggge" right hand, climb Bruno like a spider ******, grab his head with both hands and drive his own head straight into franklys nose. Harry would then push his right thumb to the back of Bruno s eyesocket, lace his mouth jump down hook him in the balls and race away before frank knew what happened. Frank would proceed to cross himself 397 times while the Windmill started his second attack 20 seconds into the 1st round. By round 4, Bruno is a bloody, confused, mental and physical wreak. The fight is stopped, Greb celebrates with three hookers a case of beer and says he has become "the meanest son of a ***** on the face of the Earth". Big Frank Bruno is mentally crushed and is hauled of to the nut hut 20 years early.

 

So Charles starts his career in high school. He fights for three years then takes a three year break returning aged 23. He’s been away as long as his first career lasted. His body has grown. He’s not even the same weight class, And he’s still just 23!

I say his career starts at 0-0-0 after the war. Enough of this crap that he’s some old timer.

 

Some of your finest work yet

Guy has 30+ fights (including a stoppage loss), more than Michael Spinks had in his career and just short of SRL yet you think you can magically erase these off his record for the sake of making him seem a more credible challenger a decade down the track.

Incredible even for you chok. Mayweathers fought about 11 times in 11 years, does that mean it's like he hasn't had a fight in the last decade?

 

Lies here chok and no shortage of them.

Charles was fighting as a light heavyweight numerous times before he came out of the army. Prior to the army break he himself weighed in at light heavyweight 24 times!! Almost every fight!!!

You claim Charles fought just 12 bouts where he and his opponent were within the light heavyweight limit?? It happened about 17 times before the army break!!!! Then 11 or so after. So we are looking at almost 30.

He had about 4-7 fights as a middleweight chok yet you claim light heavyweight was the smallest weight percentage of his career? Guess again. Not even close.

 

No I was very careful to study Charles actual weight. He was 169 or below that for his entire first 34 fight career. That is not a LHW. He may have been beating guys as high as 184 but he himself was between Middleweight and LHW at the time. He never made 176.

After the war charles was a LHW who could beat heavyweights. And that’s why only 12 or so of his fights were ever actual lightheavyweight matches with both men within that LH limit. 50 of Charles 62 fights since the war before meeting Rocky were heavyweight opponents.

It is impossible to claim 24 of Charles first 32 Ezzard scaled 176. He did not. 169 is not. Lightheavyweight.

 

Yeah it is. Anything from 160 to 175 was lightheavyweight up until the stupid suermiddleweight division was created in the mid 1980s for lazy middleweight s. 169 was pure lt.-heavyweight. Your argument is wrong