Marciano v Tokyo James Douglas?

I think Flash Gordon ranked Walcott #3.
But that's hearsay.

 

RING magazine from 1987, ranking the all-time heavyweights

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Jack Johnson
3. Joe Louis
4. Jack Dempsey
5. Gene Tunney
6. Larry Holmes
7. Rocky Marciano
8. Sonny Liston
9= Jersey Joe Walcott
9= Ezzard Charles


Of course, this was when Tyson was still 20 years old, and before Holyfield, and right at the beginning of Foreman's comeback, and before Lewis, Bowe, Klitschkos etc,

 

I thought about him in this aspect prior to posting.
Calzaghe at least is not a popular choice for all time top 10 P4P. True that it is possible that he achieved even less than those I listed, but at least in the classic forum he is less overrated.

People here never face the reality that Leonard's last significant fight was Duran #1, which he lost to a former lightweight.
After that fight, it was just a huge circus show.
Ali's career was tragic parody, depending on whose side you look upon it from.
Jones' career was similar to Leonard's, with about as many meaningful fights, except that in his case they happened at a much later stage of his career, and against lower level opponents, but at least he did not fight Ruiz at a 190.1lbs catchweight.
Even a 190lbs Ruiz would not have been as drained as a 168lbs Lalonde since Lalonde had to drain to make 175lbs, and Ruiz was actually a 190lber earlier in his career, just to put the magnitude of Leonard's poor event with Lalonde in proportions.
Whitaker was a good spoiler and as such he survived.
At least he took on everyone.
But to put it in proportions notice how the older and possibly slightly smaller Camacho took on about the same fighters and survived too, but never got anywhere near the appreciation Whitaker got.
Whitaker did better than Camacho against those that beat a past his prime Camacho, but when both were prime Camacho beat Ramirez whereas Whitaker deservedly lost.
And Camacho fought a better version of Ramirez.
Calzaghe is extremely overrated by a few accounts of even fewer people in contemporary forums.
What is worrying is the appreciation the hypejobs I mentioned receive from the supposed "experts" and authors whom I am glad to see how lucky I was to never read even part of their books.
Some of the people posting in this thread are not even supposed experts, they are the gutter of the General forum (there are some very good posters there whom are not worse than anyone in this forum) which found their way to such threads, and embarrass the general forum and this one.
Honestly the average levels of honesty, realism, prediction skills of members of the general forum are higher than in this one.
There are still more than 1 reason to why I spend more time here than there.

 

Doing ad-hominems would have answered this, but to generalize the ad-hominems I just had to give a hint for the readers about the quality of part of the posts and of the posters here.

It should come to their consideration, which is on their own responsibility.

To make it simpler for you (since you obviously need it simpler) , think as an example about Marchegiano vs Michael Grant both primes. Guess what? the same people that picked him vs Douglas will pick him over Grant or Mike White or Valuev or whomever (and I do rank Douglas over both Grant and White (whom stopped Douglas BTW) and can bare ranking him over Valuev too)

Did Rocco take a punch better than Tyson?
Did he hit harder?
Were his combinations quicker or harder?
Was he as quick or quicker than Tyson?
Was he taller or possessed a longer reach to help him reach?
Was he ever tested against someone near the ability of prime Douglas?

All of these do not matter, since Douglas had boobs (and was not white, but ignore this part, it is hidden. Think you never read it, it is part of my reply for the public, but you are unauthorized to read it), got stopped by some (far more formidable than Rocco) heavyweights and beat opponents far superior to those Rocco beat considering the states of everyone during the relevant fights.
Also, Rocco was white, and had 0 losses since the heavyweight division in his days was dying, so it means nothing matters and he wins regardless of everything.


Think about it, Ricardo Lopez was undefeated too, so he beats Douglas regardless of everything. If David Bey could, why not Lopez?

So I put those posters and their posts in the larger context of this forum and its ways.

 

Of course, because then it needed about a half functioning brain to read, and only the elite here has it.

The content did not change, only the audience did.

 

I think a poster may have taken a few too many shots to the head. If i'm incorrect forgive me, and in that case I'll take what your smoking please.

 

It seems to be hard finding more than a handful here whom did not take too many punches to the head (or were just born this way)