Marciano v Tokyo James Douglas?

Yeah yeah yeah. It’s old news. No mention of his pal Oliver McCall warning him that Douglas was “all wrong for him”. That’s well documented.

How about the time Tyson went ahead with his fight with Tucker whilst he was suffering from a STD? He told people he wanted to quit fighting but Jacobs made him go through with the fight.

Or the time he drove his car into a tree before fighting Bruno?

Tyson was never stable. But he loved boxing.

How about Douglas losing his mother?

You ever hear the story about two brothers? One became rich. The other one became homeless. The rich one says he made it because his father was a drunk. The homeless brother used the same explanation. He was homeless because his father was a drunk.

It’s the same thing with fighters. When they win nobody remembers what went wrong.

 

Ever hear about the two posters on a boxing forum , one knew he was an average sort of poster,the other thought he was a bit special, but nobody else shared his opinion!

 

I think I know the two posters you are referring to. One is called @mcvey and the other one is called @Tonto62?

 

Both make you look like an amateur pitted against a champion.

 

Times like this I doubt people even watch the fights they are talking about. Douglas moved, Louis moved, but i wouldn't describe them as mobile in the boxing sense of the word...they shuffled their feet around to change angles but they smartly kept their feet planted for the most part, so they could power in them jabs and catch their man coming in.

Everyone made a mess of Rocky's face, he was a bleeder, but only once ever came close to being stopped on a cut. Douglas wasn't really a slasher type of puncher anyway, more concussive, caused lots of swelling. Yeah, Douglas would probably catch Rocky with his jabs, I'm sure of it, he would also miss with some jabs and get that soft body punished, something Tyson neglected to do from fight to fight.

Something you are over looking was Douglas' upper body movement, because of that right hand lead, he could feint quite a bit with his hands, had Tyson all confused. Marciano isn't a stranger to breaking down this type of movement. I really haven't ever seen Tyson solve it, he wasn't great with feints, giving or receiving.

 

Let's start with 36 years old Louis against Marciano. Throughout his career Louis had been a patient stalker,against Marciano he waited for the younger man to come to him,exhibiting almost zero footwork.Louis' legs went after the 5th round.
Douglas was always a good mover and his footwork against Tyson was excellent,in and out with the jab always a constantm 113 of them in the first 3 rounds.
Marciano was in danger of being stopped in TWO fights.Against Keene Simmons when he sustained a bad cut and against Charles when an elbow spit his nose in half.Look it up!

Times like these I wonder if people actually know what they are watching!

 

Louis always fought off the back foot against swarmers because he preferred to control the range, you can see this against Godoy and Galento.

He actually exhibited good footwork against Maricano, the reason for his early success. It's really not that different from what Douglas did against Tyson at all. I think anyone could see that objectively.

It's excellent footwork but he's standing his ground and catching Tyson, not consistently eluding him. Your jab figure actually proves my point, most of those were thrown with his feet planted in front of Tyson.

Given the Simmons fight isn't on tape, yeah I don't know what i"m watching. I've read about the Simmons fight before, I heard Rocky got hurt in the early stages but never read anything about him in danger of being stopped over a cut. Can you provide a source on that, I will be happy to concede on that point. I will say though, even if it's really just these two instances my point still stands that while Rocky was a bleeder he wasn't prone to fight ending cuts.

 

Yes I can provide 4 sources for it, 3 biographies of Marciano and the referees own account.
Marciano was badly cut against Johnny Shkor,Charles in both fights a 2 inch gash on the same eye that Shkor had cut in the 1st fight a stoppage threatening split left nostril in their 2nd fight,Cut on the eye and forehead against Walcott 1st fight,Cut against Moore ,cut against Lastarza ,cut against Louis a couple of these injuries the second Charles and the Simmons one would have resulted in tko losses had he not scored the ko in the next round.Probably they would not have been allowed to continue so long today .

 

Then do so. This is my first time hearing the Simmons fight was close to being stopped over a cut.

This is not mentioned in The Rock of His Times, which I have read btw. What are the 3 other biographies that state this?

 

Every time somebody wins whilst cut the newsmen love to crank up the drama. Larry Holmes was badly cut against Bonecrusher Smith, for a time it looked like it could be an issue but Larry still won every round previous to it and every round after it until he stopped Smith. Same with Sugar Ray Robinson against Randy Turpin. Or Ricky Hatton or Henry Cooper in a number of fights. Were they really going to get stopped?

 

Can you at least post the alleged quote from Sharkey Buonanno concerning Simmons vs Marciano? How about the names of these biographies?

I find it odd that the most extensive Maricano biography, Rock of His Times would omit an in-depth account.

 

"Referee Sharkey Buonnano told me later he could have stopped the fight anytime after the second round," Mike Piccento
"he didn't want to because Rocky was undefeated and a big attraction in Providence".
When Rocky came back to the corner after the seventh round the Doctor examined the eye but after Rocky and his corner argued with him allowed the fight to continue.When the bell rang for the 8th Marciano ran across the ring.
"Marciano threw a thousand punches,missed five hundred and almost tore Simmons head off with the other 500." Sam Silverman.
page 151 Rocky Marciano. Everett M Skehan.
Its in MikeStanton's book Undefeated too I've just finished it. Also Peter Wilson's .Ringside Seats

 

This. Once Buster took away the mid range from Tyson and kept beating him to the punch Tyson had no answer and looked completely bamboozled. Buster realized early on that Tyson had nothing on the inside to bother him with. Unlike Tyson Marciano was very good at making adjustments.

 

What are some instances where Marciano demonstrated this prowess?