Marciano v Tokyo James Douglas?

The Archie Moore fight.

Archie had the upper hand whilst they were boxing at midrange. Working out he would continue to be picked off Rocky then decided to swamp him with volume. Moore complimented Rocky on his ability to beat his cross arm defence with a very unconventional and different right hand that Rocky usually threw. It came from overhead and dropped straight down at a very short angle at close range. Moore said he had no answer to it and could not defend against it.

 

This is not what you claimed.

This is not the referee's account. This is hearsay. It is also not clear if this alleged near stoppage was due to bleeding.

Never the less, let's say for arguments sake this is all true. That is just 2 fights out of 49 where he it has been claimed the official was close to stopping over a cut. One was early in his career, the other was as you stated yourself caused by an accidental illegal blow. So my point still stands. Let me amend....

"Everyone made a mess of Rocky's face, he was a bleeder, but only *twice* ever came close to being stopped on a cut. " Happy?

 

Its the quote the referee made to Mike Pinccento, Marciano's friend .
It was due to bleeding, do you think I'm lying to you? GTF !!

 

You still misrepresented your evidence. It doesn't state it was due to bleeding. That is your assumption. It looks like his eye was examined by the doctor in the 7th but that is standard and doesn't necessarily mean the fight is in danger of being stopped. The ref could have considered stopping the fight in round 2 for any number of reasons, he doesn't say. I do know it was reported Rocky was in trouble early.

Regardless, I really don't see what your point is here. You said Douglas would make a mess of Marciano's tender skin if Joe Louis "busted him up", I agree but probably no worse than anyone else. Marciano was prone to cuts and markings in almost every filmed fight of his but he was never stopped. Once, maybe twice, a ref considered it but didn't pull the trigger in his entire career.

I would compare him to Pacquiao. Both seem to get cut and marked up, but they aren't exactly Henry Cooper.

 

I thought you were casting doubt on my veracity. Marciano was badly cut in the first Charles fight a two inch gash over the eye Freddie Brown sealed it with thromboplastin, now illegal and may have been then.

 

Charles was one of the best slashers of all time, and he still couldn't the job done.

Behind every great Champion is a great corner. Something Tyson didn't have against Douglas. If Maricano only had an idiot with no tools but a condom and cold water in his corner, yeah, he probably wouldn't have been undefeated.

 

Marciano didnt have a great corner when Al Weill was in it he put everyone into a panic.When Rocky complained about burning in his eyes in the 1st Walcott fight Weil sloshed a wet sponge on his forehead causing the astringent to go straight down to his eyes. Freddie Brown later put pads soaked in ice water on Rocky's eyes and alleviated the problem. Brown's fee for the fight and the Charles one $50 a time, money well spent!

 

We get it, you hate Marciano and are willing to argue against any slight positive someone says about him or anyone involved with him. Good for you.

 

Nope I thought it was a bit of information you would like to know.I think its entirely to Rocky's credit that ,in the fight of his life and challenging for the title he remained calm and collected without any thought but to presevere and win.You can contrast it to Ali's reaction when he was momentarily half blinded in the Liston fight when he had to be pushed out for the next round by Dundee.
For the record I think Marciano was a great fighter and a great champion and, if the books are to be believed a very fine man.

 

I knew about the eye thingi in the Walcott fight, but I appreciate you trying to spread the word.

 

Tyson was not banging hookers when he was disciplined and focused.

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Plenty of athletes have "off nights". Only part of your post is true, that matchmaking and when a fight happens can be just as important as the game plan and whose fighting. But that doesn't explain everything.

 

That was a good interview. He actually admitted something i have been Saying for years about him. He could smell fear on an opponent. He knew who was intimidated “just by walking into a room” and he knew intimidated opponents can’t perform. “Some fighters are already knocked out before they get into the ring”.

Tyson is a fascinating character. Nobody can blame him for being who he wants to be to the person he’s talking to when it suits the situation. He is a survivor. In this interview, and to be fair, a lot of his recent ones, he is projecting a humbling/honest mood to get what he wants and in doing so he is finally admitting a lot of tidbits about himself. I always get the impression he can be a completely different person who says the opposite on the same day. He’s being doing it forever. And even he wont know who the real mike Tyson is. He’s lived a pretty messed up life.

 

Nothing explains everything other than a whole lot of factors together. The matchmaking together with the fear factor, the champions advantage of money being no object and being able to reschedule a fight etc etc.

 

I think he is a manipulative piece of ****,who for a brief time was a great fighter.A comet who soared and quickly descended.

 

There are no adjustments he can make against Douglas. His dimensions and lack of size/reach limit him from executing different fight plans.