Marciano v Tokyo James Douglas?

Dude i agree with you Tyson was not the same fighter after he left Rooney

dude really thought he could show up and just win

Dude watch the Bruno and the fights up until Lewis he looks for one punch

no Head movement jabbing going to the body, combinations or bobbying and weaving.

I dont rate post Rooney tyson very highly he was still good but had abandoned the technique and savy that got him to the top.

Good win by Douglas he did beat a sleep walking tyson but a win is a win in my book Tyson made the choice to really think he was that great that he just needed to show up

 

Absolutely.

But so did a certain little Featherweight from Sheffield, then he met M.A.B. Its just that his fans don't come up with a million excuses the way Tyson fans do.

 

some people do get crazy with tyson but i will say i am a strong believer that tyson at his best with rooney or even 1986 tyson Beats Tokyo Douglas 10 out of 10

But on that night Doiuglas great if he could have kept it up and not have been lazy he could have a had a nice run as champ

 

Again I totally agree with you, but just think how pathetically boring it would be if a herd of Douglas fans started using that fvcking laziness as an excuse for him not being one of the best Heavies ever. It was " his " choice to be a lazy ******* more interested in fishing than fighting, just as it was Tysons choice to concentrate on being a thug, and a lowlife rather than concentrate on the thing that made him rich and famous in the first place.

It is the constant excuses by his apologists that are cringe worthy.

 

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Me too.

 

So much wrong with this post.

Nobody is going to agree to a universal listing of just 10 fighters as being the only "great" heavyweights. Can you produce such a list? 10 fighters that every single fight fan are going to agree on as the only greats. Great real. Lots of luck with that.

There is about 15-25 different possible names that are going to get tossed around in a variety of ways and no one way would really be incorrect.

Jersey Joe is usually a top 20 regular on most lists, a Hall of Famer, a lineal Champion with a great resume, the than oldest man to win the title. Hardly hyperbole to call him an all time great. His place in history was secured, long before I graced these messgae boards.

 

look, dougie showed up for one night and rose to the occasion , sure.

but Marciano did that every night he defended the title, hell he did it every night he fought.

of course you gotta go with rocky.

 

Walcott was a difficult moving target capable of beating Rocky to the punch with his superior hand speed. Marciano stalked him, using continous hand movement and feints before commiting to punches. Its one of Rocky's lowest volume punching performances on film.

Have you actually really paid attention to this fight beyond the punch counting, its actually difficult to take in all that they are doing, both men's hands and upperbody movement are so busy as they carefully set up their power shots and counters, than adapt and switch things up. Both men are very unpredictable in their angles and method of attack.

Douglas was getting off so many punches because Tyson was such an easy target who wasn't giving him much to consider. They repeat the same patterns over and over again with Tyson failing to adapt as he attempts to close the distance in the same predictable ways over and over again.

All that speed didn't mean anything if it was the same predictable patterns over and over again. Douglas has him figured out in the first round and was timing him effortlessly. A very confused Tyson stopped moving purposefully after the first few rounds anyway, and just started trying to bull in without even looking for anything in particular, getting tagged and easily tied up.

 

What did Douglas do against McCall?

 

We are talking about the one night that Dougie really showed up, so him showing up is a given here.

Again, comprehending what is written is an important factor in answering the question raised.

 

The Jersey Joe Walcott that Marciano fought would have beaten the living hell out of Douglas. Not even a contest. Walcott was one of those rare guys who not only aged well, but actually got better with age, because he combined his vast experience with his tremendous physical gifts. Just take a look at his body. Even in the pre-steroid era his body pushing 40 was better than most 20 year old heavys today. So was his pace, speed, and snap.

I can throw 70 punches a round against a guy who is throwing one punch at a time, not punching all that much, and getting hit with most everything I throw. Tyson was a dead man in there. There is a reason why Douglas is a one-hit wonder and never looked that good before or after - Tyson. If you are in there with a guy who is ill-prepared, he makes you look twice as good. And the joke of it all is that even as a dead man walking, Tyson still managed to deck him, and Douglas still barely beat the count.

The Tyson that fought that night was not superior to Marciano in any way. He was as slow as molasses with both offense and defense, and his pace and punch selection were garbage.

Marciano threw nonstop and all the time. That was exactly Holyfield's formula to beat Douglas - keep a fast pace. And you saw what that does to Douglas - he falls all to pieces. Holyfield's trainers saw that Tyson kept a very slow pace, and their plan was very simple - work and keep him working. Tyson's punch output in that fight was way less than any other fight. HBO showed his average punch output compared to others was much lower. Yes Marciano's ducking, countering, and footwork was way faster than the Tyson that showed up on that night. He would keep Douglas defending all the time, unlike the Tyson on that night. Marciano would slip and slide in an wail away to the body and head in nonstop fashion, and Douglas did not have the heart to deal with that. He's a one-hit wonder for a reason.